Kiwi nanny-state – even worse than you thought.

Close to the endpoint of the collectivist, nannying, sickening “mommy knows best” mindset that’s so prevalent in NZ:  via Breitbart:
‘New Zealand is a country of almost five million inhabitants, some 29 million sheep and, on the evidence, plenty of hurt feelings. The latter has been tackled by sweeping new parliamentary legislation making cyber-bulling a criminal offence while guaranteeing the protection of  people emotionally affected by online “abuse”.
The bill will censor posts deemed offensive, racist, abusive or show religious intolerance. The new legislation states that any online post that creates “serious emotional distress” and is subjected to “negotiation, mediation or persuasion,” but continues and creates the offences of not complying with an order, and “causing harm by posting digital communication,” is deemed criminal.
…At the same time the court can also attempt to suppress the identity of the aggrieved individual if they feel the individual may incur more harm by making the defendant’s identity public. Hence, those making the claims of harassment can maintain anonymity against their alleged aggressor(s).
Free speech being not so free after all in the Land of the Long White Cloud.’

The idea of anonymous plaintiffs is Stalinist and flies in the face of what we understand justice to be. This bill is a disgrace to Key, Adams, the National Party and every politician who voted for it.

The Key government has just granted itself (through agents who may remain anonymous) complete power over private websites and blogs. We warned that this was coming as long as three years ago and it gives me no pleasure to say “I told you so”.

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52 Responses to Kiwi nanny-state – even worse than you thought.

  1. mawm says:

    Hmmmm…..I see the potential to have some fun with the arseholes posters at The Standard and Kiwiblog. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

    • KG says:

      I will simply hand this blog over to somebody who lives where it is hosted, and retain the ability to post here.
      Let them try taking an American to court.

  2. Warren Tooley says:

    Well here’s what I would plan on doing to bypass it; at the moment there’s magazines you can get through kindle. The magazine has kindle technology, and once bought it costs virtually nothing to send it to someone’s kindle. So, if I wanted to sell information about something, I would have people pay a small amount of money and they would get it through their kindle. They knew what the information was about in advance and they asked for it and paid for it, how can they complain?

    2ndly, if I was to do it through the internet. I wouldn’t allow just anybody to see it. They would have to sign a form stating that they are the person wanting that information, and they could gain from it. Suppose I started up a site about nissan cars, and suppose I made fun of every other kind of car on the market. If the people who would see it, had to sign a form that they are Nissan fans, they couldn’t make a complaint, because they have already agreed they won’t be offended.

    So I’m not saying, things are going to be easy, but I am saying their are loopholes, to this draconian law. So crusader, I would have it that anyone who wants to even see your site, has to sign something stating why they want to use it, and they will be given a password to use it.

    • KG says:

      ” I would have it that anyone who wants to even see your site, has to sign something stating why they want to use it, and they will be given a password to use it.”
      Qualified free speech is not free speech at all, Warren.
      Every offence covered by this new law is already enforceable under current statutes. This law is nothing less than an end-run around justice.

    • The Gantt Guy says:

      Alternatively, you could just accept that New Zealand has crossed the rubicon, is officially a Police State complete with Thought Crimes, and register your domain name in America, where speech (at least for now) is a right protected by the Constitution.

      • Warren Tooley says:

        In that case Gantt guy or whoever else feels fit to answer the question. NZ copyright law is completely impossible. It used to be that fair usage was 4%. If I write a book, and reflect on the meaning of a song and use 4% of the song, as it is only 4% it counts as fair usage, and in the US it was 10%.

        But the copyright change means even reflecting and quoting one line of a song is copyright infringement. So if the US’s copyright laws are easier going, can I register my work in the US, and be governed by their rules. And if so how do I go about it. I know this is a little off topic, but at the same time it does relate to what we’re talking about.

        • The Gantt Guy says:

          I don’t know anything about copyright law sorry, Warren.

          What I do suspect is the only way to defeat this fascist nonsense is to completely overload the new agency (Ministry of Truth?) set up to handle complaints. Every time some enviro-weenie or leftist shill (but I repeat myself) opens their mouth, lodge a complaint.

          • Warren Tooley says:

            Use their own laws against them, then maybe they’ll change the rules.

          • mawm says:

            But you can be assured that there are different levels of what constitutes offence and you can bet that heterosexual Christian white men will be judged as being less offended than any of lesbian, dark-skinned, muslim women. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_mail.gif

            • The Gantt Guy says:

              I guaran-damned-tee you the standard will be different. But if they receive 100 complaints every single time some eco-weenie is given oxygen at stuff or the Herald site, every time some wankery tosh is published at scoop-co-nz, every time anyone posts anything at frogblog, every time some goat-raping paedophile who puts his wife in a rubbish sack puts fingers to keyboard, they’ll have to either massively ramp up their battalion of brown-shirts or their interrogation centres will simply become overwhelmed.

              In the UK, Paul Weston was arrested for quoting Winston Churchill. Others have been arrested for reading from the koran. The other option we could go with is to be as offensive as possible to the goat-raping, kiddie-fiddling acolytes of the paedophile prophet (piss be upon him), to the reds-pretending-to-be-greens, to the beta-males and feminazis, and let them come for us.

              • Wombat says:

                As I’ve stated earlier, even if this new bureacracy starts with open doors and and listed telephone numbers, it won’t be long until they’re a self run organisation with no contact to the outside world excepting their political handlers and the public prosecutors they feed evidence to.

      • KG says:

        This domain name is registered in America, Gantt. :)

        • Pascal says:

          You know that secretive trade agreement. It will be seen as a treaty. Treaties override anything else in the constitution. And it has been so long before Marberry vs. Madison and activist SCOTUSes.

          • Col. Bunny says:

            I’ve not researched case law on treaties, Pascal, but treaties do have to be “made . . . under the authority of the United States.” I don’t see how the executive can be said to have the authority to negotiate a treaty that abrogates the right against unreasonable searches and seizures as he or, gag, she has no independent authority to do so by any legal means. It’s one of those odd drafting failures, it seems to me, where they could have said treaties not incompatible with the Constitution are part of the supreme law of the land. But they didn’t.

            If you know the Federalist Papers or case law are different on that, then I’m off base here. What credence to give to any Supreme Court case law is another question.

  3. KG says:

    The fuckwit Amy Adams has created and pushed through a bill that protects anonymous trolls who fake an IP addy to post the most disgusting abuse, yet will be used to punish views those same trolls hate! Does the dumb cow even understand how the ‘net works?

    • Warren Tooley says:

      Well, the bilderbergs have pushed for monitoring of the net, because they are being exposed. John Key was at one of those meetings, years ago. The original harmful digital communications bill made lots of sense. But this adjustment is draconian. anyhow, you’re an American under American jurisdiction. But for Terry Wallbank and for myself we are under NZ legislation. So, what I’ve said is how I would protect myself. Have you noticed that the conservative blog is under maintenance. I’m beginning to wonder if this bill has anything to do with it.

    • The Gantt Guy says:

      No … the obvious answer to your last question.

    • Lara says:

      I loathe how woman in power go mad. Not all of them, but many seem to. Sickening, traitorous witch. A little bit of power and look…this is so what like Hitler and co did in the early days…!! FFS, words fail me!!!!!!

  4. Warren Tooley says:

    Amy Adams, probably got bribed. How I would deal with it is say we won’t reelect you. When election time comes, we will demand your not on the list, or we won’t vote National. Oh, wait a minute, their’s worse parties than National.

    • KG says:

      The ballot box is no longer the answer, Warren. They’re mostly as bad as one another.

  5. The Gantt Guy says:

    So, here’s something … blogger / blogspot automatically redirects to a local domain.

    For example, I’m sat here in the Democratic People’s Socialist Republic of the Long White Cloud. If I type in pmofnz.blogspot.com, it redirects me to pmofnz.blogspot.co.nz. Now initially, when blogger introduced this “localisation” feature there was an uproar about it and they removed it. It was quietly re-introduced a few months later.

    Now we know why…

    • KG says:

      Yep. There was never any way our lords and masters were going to tolerate genuine free speech. Bastards. Never mind “the road to serfdom” – we’re there already. :evil:

  6. Ronbo says:

    The same thing happened ten years ago to the British websites like “The Cross of St. George” where an uncensored debate was taking place…Then one fine day, the Labour Party dominated Parliament passed a law pretty much along the lines of the New Zealand censorship bill – and the plug was pulled on old St. George.

    Of course, many of the posters moved over to the free wheeling American message boards, like my good friend Malcolm in England, but the heavy hand of the censor ended the debate in Britain.

    International Socialism strikes again!

    Yes, today the American websites are still free; however, it’s only question of time until President Obama does one of his infamous “Presidential Orders” and shuts down debate on the American websites.http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_wacko.gif

    • Pascal says:

      No extra-constitutional executive orders are needed when the Senate signs on.

      You know that secretive trade agreement. It will be seen as a treaty. Treaties override anything else in the constitution. And it has been so long before Marberry vs. Madison and activist SCOTUSes.

      • Warren Tooley says:

        Yes Pascal, you have a point their. In the 1930s FDR offered the American public a new deal. We do this for you, you do this for us. And the role of government became much bigger. And part of the new deal involves overseas treaties. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cry.gif

        • Pascal says:

          Let me highlight the stinker in the supremacy clause in Article VI. That ambiguity has always favored the growth of centralized power at the expense of individual protections.

          This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

          Treaties overrule the constitution or laws of any state forces judges to treat them that way. The ambiguity that was never cleared up was: “does that include the federal constitution and laws or only that of the states?”

          Since “State” was recently construed to mean the federal government in this last Obamacare ruling, SCOTUS just officially ended the matter of that ambiguity. However, as you stated, that ambiguity has been construed that way at least since the 30s. My point is that it was only treated that way and not stated openly until last week.

          • The Gantt Guy says:

            Just one more thing to clean up in an Article V Convention.

            Either that, or man the ramparts, keep your flintlock cleaned and your powder dry.

            • Wombat says:

              Any convention would be a progressive cleanup effort. The BOR would go in its entirety.

              In the end, what does it matter? The POTUS and the SCOTUS have made it clear that the Constitution is irrelevant and that they intend to do whatever they want. They are unshackled.
              Plain letter wording? Irrelevant.
              Clear intent? Irrelevant.

              The Constitution is a dead letter. It was never a guardian of anything. It was a flag to rally under.

              Words, printed or spoken, have never stopped tyranny. They may inspire a man to do violence in the defence of freedom but that violence is what wins the day, not the existence of a peice of paper in a Washington museum.

  7. Darin says:

    Here is what to do,use the law against them.Log on to those lefty boards you hate the most and scour them for anything even remotely offensive,save a screenshot so the comments don’t disappear and then report them.The only way the lefties ever learn is by making them take their own medicine.

    • Warren Tooley says:

      And I’ll add to that, to tell the authorities, that if they don’t rule in your favour, you’ll report them, and let the whole world know. The authorities would rather rule in your favour. I know, because these authorities have their own agenda, and don’t always rule according to their own laws. But yes, that’s exactly what you do.

  8. Ronbo says:

    I wish someone would put together a list of top level traitors who are responsible for this Global Meltdown of Liberty…Then we could silence them with extreme prejudice.

    I remember reading of the Roman Emperor Caligula who famously said, “Oh, if Rome only had one throat, so that I could cut it.”

    Who are the cabal? Does Mr. Big exist?

    Somewhere in the world there is a small, dark and very smoky room where the super traitors of mankind dream up this liberty destroying crap.

    If we only knew where it was located…If we only had a cruise missile to blow it up! http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif

    • Warren Tooley says:

      Well Ronbo, do the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, do the owners of the central banks, do the bilderbergs sound big enough up the chain. Austria had a Bilderberg meeting, just two weeks ago, and they want to ban people using cash, and ram through the TPP. And already the alternative media is talking all about it. Does this sound big enough to you.

  9. Pascal says:

    Oh, wait a moment KG.

    You think you can’t be jailed for speaking out in America? For giving offense in America? Now?

    http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/02/state-silences-bakers-who-refused-to-make-cake-for-lesbian-couple-fines-them-135k

    No, that is not the old story you may think it is. This is the old story ramped up last week. The Stalinists in Oregon were not satisfied with the bronze medal. They are going for the gold.

    • Ronbo says:

      Very true…No one has yet went to jail for exercise of the First Amendment; however, a growing number of Americans have lost their jobs, careers and money for free speech.

      It’s only a question of time before the midnight knock on the door and the GULAG…maybe later this year, or next, but most certainly before Obama leaves office.

      That is…if he leaves office in 2017.

      • Pascal says:

        Actually, journalists have gone to jail for not disclosing sources, which is a violation of the First. And other suspects have gone to jail after being provoked into speaking and then that used to deprive them of the right not to self-incriminate under the 5th Amendment.

        We will see what the judge does should the bakers continue to speak of themselves being judicially raped for allegedly ‘mind-raping’ the lesbian couple. That the Kleins have been gagged while being raped by the “court” is the picture the court paints for me. Ironic in its inconsistency.

        Yet the inconsistencies mount up, don’t they Ronbo? What is NOT inconsistent is how it is always one-sided. There’s where you are always on target.

  10. Ronbo says:

    “Well Ronbo, do the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, do the owners of the central banks, do the bilderbergs sound big enough up the chain. Austria had a Bilderberg meeting, just two weeks ago, and they want to ban people using cash, and ram through the TPP. And already the alternative media is talking all about it. Does this sound big enough to you.”

    It looks like that’s deal – The Big People on top set the agenda and give the marching orders to the lower ranks such as the New York Times. The Leftists still lower on the food chain read the Times and get on Twitter, Facebook and the other social media with the daily marching orders. Meanwhile, the Leftist Lamestream Media blasts the agenda all over the planet.

    Therefore, a revolution to be successful would have to take out the “Leftist General Staff” in the first strike…

    One kills a snake by cutting off the head.

    Then you slice and dice the rest of the body.

    • KG says:

      An intelligently compiled list of targets for execution, well publicised so no organisation is necessary and a substantial anonymously collectable reward for each scalp would get the job done.
      Or at least, enough of them to scare the crap out of the rest.
      Breivik was partly right and I leave it to the reader to decide which part.

      The above is pure conjecture, speculation and theorising. Not to be confused with either wishes or intent, you understand.

    • Warren Tooley says:

      Yes Ronbo, as long we keep attacking their pawns nothing will change. Only when we attack the power centre will things change.

  11. Darin says:

    The right needs to engage in the same tactics as the left if we want to win this thing.For starters we need to organise a swarm.One that will pick targets like the judge in this wedding cake nonsense.Swarm them on twitter and facebook,swamp their e-mail and jam their phone lines as a start.
    If that doesn’t do the job,then begin investigating them.Dig through every corner of their lives and look for anything that can be used to smear them.Guilt or innocence isn’t a concern,the object is to destroy them.

    • Pascal says:

      Adopt their ways? Well let’s look back.

      I remember when turn about had been considered fair play. I remember when Progs accepted their one step back after two steps forward. Heh.

      Those days are long gone. Now the Left owns the justice systems as I mentioned earlier this week to the Political Hat when I quoted Albert Camus.

      Ironically the clue to what must be done can be found in how Obama rose in the ranks and came to power. The Chicago Way. Only I don’t mean in Obama’s manner. Be untouchable.

      • Ronbo says:

        Like I said before the revolution will not start if the Progressives are able to keep the welfare checks and the middle class entitlements coming…but in the event of a major economic downturn and large scale hunger and homelessness…a revolution is almost inevitable and will be directed at those in power.

        The public can forgive a government of nearly anything except not being able to feed them.

        • Darin says:

          “Those days are long gone. Now the Left owns the justice systems ”

          I’m not talking justice,I mean retribution.

          “The Chicago Way. Only I don’t mean in Obama’s manner. Be untouchable.”

          They send one of ours to the hospital,we send one of theirs to the morgue.
          The problem here is Republicans don’t know how to fight,unless it’s demolishing a fellow Republican.We have to quit being nice and quit being stupid.

          • Wombat says:

            It’s becoming more and more apparent that the Republicans are more afraid of secession than submission to the progressives.

            They know that within the union they can see out their days in excessive luxury, even if their constituents are the ones that get screwed.

            Civil war? Not so much.

          • Pascal says:

            Republicans™? Spit.

            We need republicans.

          • Pascal says:

            “The problem here is Republicans don’t know how to fight,unless it’s demolishing a fellow Republican.”

            I witnessed that in the 1970s. The behavior prompted the formation of the Libertarian Party. Unfortunately the LP became overrun with kooks and, in keeping with Gresham’s Law, drove out it’s most intelligent people (like Fran Porretto).

            And this time it was the TEA Party movement that tried to work within the party. Yet the behavior of the GOPe this time revealed that it is a group dominated by the thinking of the original Progressive movement which hates constitutional republicans, and therefore hates what H.G. Wells called us: the children of the abyss.

            “We have to quit being nice and being stupid.”
            I don’t think you have to depart from being nice. Keep on smiling Darin. Just cease tolerating stupidity and, instead, “reward” it as is fitting.

            Let me put it this way. The individuals so rewarded had best hope you are not so overwhelmed that you still have time to consider what is fitting.

  12. Warren Tooley says:

    I just saw something prophetic, John Farnham created a music video celebrating freedom. Now it was in black and white. Black and White in TV shows, means they are remembering it as something that used to be. So Freedom is something that used to be:

    https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QyCkwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzZIbpexA4g8&ei=8SKXVZ2IJoLV8gWgobPoBQ&usg=AFQjCNGqX4bcdHvd8rJM3caF2UxdMNDkJw&sig2=2nHNN4912tK5o8TvrQqJZw&bvm=bv.96952980,d.dGc

    So the next time someone asks why John Farnham do this one in black and white and the rest in colour, you now know why. Oh and John means ‘appointed by God’. So what was he appointed by God to do? I think you get the idea.

  13. Lara says:

    It’s so outrageous. Before Key got into power (unfortunately), I remember him quoting Nome Chomsky and the right to the freedom of speech. What a liar he has turned out to be. This legislation is totally insidious and evil. Where is the MSM on this? They made a big song and dance, rightly so, when Labour tried to change election rules, so why the heck arn’t they out there on this? oh yes, they are from the same Marxist club…

    • Pascal says:

      Yes Lara, outrageous. It’s why I called pols like Key SKUNCs before they proved themselves to be traitors.

      The Political Hat the other day left a quote here of a character from Frank Herbert’s Dune. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=26486#comment-66075

      “When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.”

      I added to it the verdict of Albert Camus. “Liberalism is nothing more than the ideological disguise of the will-to-power of some people, who could not themselves be less Liberal.”

      Camus was speaking more of a classical liberal which is pretty much what we call conservative today.

      So when thinking of the Key case, replace liberal with conservative.

      Camus’s warning comes a bit late and yet you continue to see Kiwi bloggers continuing to aid him by repeating the lie that his cloak is the real thing. I imagine that they’re beginning to feel the heat as it comes to dawn on the useful idiots that Key will hang them out to dry.

  14. Lara says:

    I can just imagine them now, when defending this piece of utter trash, trotting out the old chestnut of ‘if you don’t do it, you won’t have a problem.’ They did that when defending the anti-smacking bill…and look how that has turned out…

    • KG says:

      I’m sure Stalin and Beria also said to the Russian people “if you don’t do it you won’t have a problem”.

      “Of course our people are free – they are free to do anything that is not expressly forbidden”
      Erich Honecker, East Germany.

      Freedom is not the ability to do those things that bureaucrats and politicians graciously grant us. Freedom is the ability to force them to justify any restriction of our liberties, and to refuse those restrictions we reject.