‘Three Simple Questions for Trump Supporters

If I were the Washington establishment, I would be publicly tut-tutting Donald Trump about his rhetoric every day — and going to sleep with a big smile on my face every night.’  Here
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72 Responses to ‘Three Simple Questions for Trump Supporters

  1. Ronbo says:

    The blah, blah, blahs from another anti-Trumphist.

    Like “Duh!” – We know Trump isn’t a conservative and we don’t care.

    Like “Duh!” – We know the presidency of Trump is likely to be that of an authoritarian CEO who never forgets or forgives an insult – and will give back as good as he gets! We approve 100%.

    Like “Duh!” – Damn right we are full of righteous anger because we are sick and tired of voting for so-called conservative Republicans who enable the Obama Regime! The country is going down the pooper and all those great conservatives who know their U.S. Constitution chapter and verse do nothing to stop the Leftist agenda.

    In regards to the Lamestream Media – Yes, they have given Trump a free ride to date, but they did the same for McCain and Romney during the primaries – and they will turn on Trump when he becomes the GOP nominee.

    • KG says:

      I reckon the guy makes a persuasive case, Ronbo.
      We shall see…..

    • Caleb says:

      I think this sums up how I feel, quite well. Trump may well be a closet Liberal but he certainly isn’t PC. I’m sure he will tell lies and cut deals but not in an attempt to retain the statuesque and that has got the MSM and the Establishment shitting a brick.. So, worth the show, not President yet though.

  2. Bo Chandler says:

    Sorry but it all smacks of sour-grapes bullshit to me.

    The whole article reads “Evil Trump is winning and wonderful Cruz is losing, so let’s weave an intricate, fanciful narrative for why it’s all a huge conspiracy.”

    We have gems like “isn’t it odd that Trump, who has been the obvious frontrunner in the primaries since last summer, and who presents as inviting a target for a media takedown effort as any candidate has ever presented, has been given a pass?

    Umm, what drugs is this man on?

    “…if my stalking horse can achieve my primary mission of tearing apart the conservative movement…”

    Uhh, what movement? It was a fucking corpse that Trump reanimated.

    It’s the same old bullshit. How soon we forget how desperate every candidate was to be the most bland, vanilla centrist in the pack until Trump turned up and started talking about walls at the southern border and stopping islamic immigration.

    All stuff that the cuckservatives were endlessly bitching “are never even put on the table” yet Trump dragged them there and got the usual round of “thanks for clearing the road, now have a knife in the back” treatment.

    But by all means, stump for Cruz, who if Trump never turned up would have been predictably and easily swept aside by the moneymen in favour of Jeb or Rubio, not that such blatant certainties seem to factor into the conspiracy theories of the Cruz supporters. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_unsure.gif

    Trump is not about turning back the clock 60 years and putting a Buick in every pot. He’s about reaffirming that Americans still have a choice, and if he turns out to be an asshole then they can take their newfound empowerment and start making other choices outside of the electoral system.

    No offence. I’m just dead fucking tired of all the people who have completely forgotten what a case of Groundhog’s Day this election was shaping up to be before Trump arrived.

    • Ronbo says:

      Well said, Bo!

      The more I think about modern American conservatives, the more I think about German conservatives of the 1930s who didn’t put up a fight against the Communists and Nazis busy tearing to pieces the high civilization of Germany.

      Like our conservatives, the conservatives of Germany get high marks on their ideology and constitutional theory, but I look in vain for something practical they did to stop the totalitarians in their march to power…but nothing…nothing…nothing practical done – just a few books like “All Quiet On The Western Front” and editorial criticism in the newspapers – and 18 months in a liberal prison for Hitler.

      The Weimar Republic of 1919 to 1933 are pretty much a prologue to America during the last 14 years….Then as now, radicalism and lawlessness on the Left has been met with a strong reaction on the Right – and I think the average Joan or Jim on the street knows deep down the dictatorship in the final act will either be Rightist or Leftist.

      So I have no illusions about the real meaning of Trump and our latest revolution…International Socialism is “No sale” in old Republican Germany or contemporary America; however, national socialism may be acceptable.

      • Darin says:

        “I’m just dead fucking tired of all the people who have completely forgotten what a case of Groundhog’s Day this election was shaping up to be before Trump arrived.”

        Spot on!
        Cruz and Rubio both have the same problem,both are senators.In US political circles you don’t get to be a senator without the permission of the establishment and the backing of big money donors.If you look at both of their donors lists,it is the usual laundry list of banks,financial and law firms.We know who they owe.

        Both are first term senators and we know how well that works out.

        If it came down to it,I would pick Kasich over those two,since he has vastly more experience and has been fairly solid on technical budget issues not to mention being a governor.

        One other consideration with Trump was pointed out by Rush yesterday.That was the interview Jose Ramos did with former Mexican president Fox.Fox was fairly adamant about stopping Trump from becoming president,even f-bombing about Trumps plan to build the wall.The point is Trump said he is going to build the wall and Fox believes it.

        • The Gantt Guy says:

          “In US political circles you don’t get to be a senator without the permission of the establishment and the backing of big money donors”

          Sorry Darin, but with the greatest of respect, that’s total horse-shit.

          To win his seat, Rubio beat the sitting Governor – Charlie Crist, who had ALL the endorsements, ALL the money and ALL the media. Now, I have no particular love for Rubio, in fact I have him in the traitor column right next to Mia Love and Nikki Haley. He’s proven himself basically lazy and liberal. But to say he had establishment permission is an unbelievable re-writing of history.

          Likewise with Cruz. He beat the sitting Lieutenant Governor, who spent $250 million trying to defeat him. He came from less than 5% in the polls, with (again) ALL the endorsements, ALL the money and ALL the media. There’s nobody in politics despised and vilified by establishment characters the way Cruz is.

          I still don’t understand the support for Trump, and even less the attacks on (particularly) Cruz, given his record across his entire career fighting for the Conservative cause.

          • Magoo says:

            Spot on Gantt!

            • Darin says:

              Rubio was already backed by the RNC when he ran for Senate,he received support from the Teaparty,but the majority came from the RNC when Crist decided to run unaffiliated and the RNC refused to provide him any backing.The GOP had already began co-opting the Teaparty by that point.

              Cruz is a proponent of backdoor amnesty,look up his proposal for doubling the immigration quota and granting permanent legal residency to those already here illegally.He can argue the Constitution all he wants,but if he is ever in a position to slip a backdoor amnesty in,it won’t matter because there won’t be a country left at that point.

              In BOTH cases look at who is backing them financially and it’s pretty easy to see who they will be working for and it ain’t the American people.

              • The Gantt Guy says:

                Cruz abandoned his position on H1-B visas when it became clear to him the programme was being abused.

                He has always been against illegal immigration, and is the ONLY ONE talking about the 40% who overstay their visas.

              • Magoo says:

                Cruz will be 100% better than the registered Democrat voting & financing RINO Trump, with his Democrat policies & his close Democrat buddies like the Clintons.

                Trump wants to spend hundreds of millions kicking illegals out so he can then just let them back in again legally. Cruz stated the other day that he would kick them all out & they would not be welcome back. But if Cruz were to grant amnesty (which he won’t) it would have exactly the same result as Trump letting them back in, but without the hefty price tag of rounding them all up, which is exactly why Cruz won’t let them back in.

                I don’t rate Rubio, he’s another RINO like Trump & his endorser Christie.

                • Darin says:

                  What Cruz said the other day is in direct conflict with what he actually tried to do with his backdoor amnesty.
                  I am so tired of hearing the same strawman arguments about what it will cost to kick the illegals out and what it will cost to build a wall when all that must be done is enforce existing law.When you go after not the illegals,but instead the people hiring them amazing things happen.
                  https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/howard-industries-pleads-guilty-employment-related-immigration-conspiracy
                  After that raid and several smaller ones a few days later the word was out and no one in the entire state would hire and illegal to so much as wash their car.
                  When you start turning boats around the asylum seekers stop coming.When you stop talking amnesty and go after employers that cheat,the illegals tend to stop coming.

          • Pascal says:

            All you have to understand about Trump support is that emotion trumps reason after years of rational hope being betrayed. And the GOPe jaybirds are out in force fanning the flames of anxiety and revenge. Equanimity is a rare commodity to be had at this time, and those who have it are almost totally ignored when not attacked.

            • KG says:

              “All you have to understand about Trump support is that emotion trumps reason after years of rational hope being betrayed.”
              Yes!

      • Bo Chandler says:

        Trump doesn’t even need to sell himself. It’s like you’ve turned up to a cafe every day for four decades and the menu is filled with nothing but shit sandwiches. Then, one day there’s a plain sandwich, absent the shit, and by comparison it looks pretty damn appealing.

        Every other candidate speaks like a politician, wherein every so-called promise is spoken with the inherent understanding that it will be shelved upon election because “budgets and partisanship and blah blah blah”.

        See, Cruz has a little memo on his list of stuff to get around to that says “build wall on southern border”. His followers take this as “we elect Cruz and we get a wall on the southern border”. The reality is that these to-do lists are like the kind of shit some wanker puts up on a dating site to get women’s numbers.

        “I like cuddling, and long walks on the beach, and building walls on the southern border…”

        A week later the poor saps that fall for it find out that after getting on their backs and spreading their legs, there’s no cuddling to be had, no walks on the beach and no wall being built on the southern border.

        Trump fronts up to the audience, looks them in the eye and says “elect me and that shit will get done”.

        Nobody but Trump is doing that, and it’s the reason he’s bitchslapping the rest of the field.

        • Darin says:

          Exactly.

        • The Gantt Guy says:

          If Cruz had only written a list, and didn’t have a decades-long history of ACTION, you might have a point. The simple fact is, you don’t.

          • Bo Chandler says:

            Say what you like about Cruz. He never had a shot. You might as well stump for Zombie Regan.

            You think the elites would allow Cruz to take the nomination over Rubio or Jeb in an even half-way close race?

            Trump is miles ahead WITH the elites desperately dragging on his ankles, and he’s still gaining ground.

            Whether Cruz is the second coming of Christ or not is irrelevant. He never had a shot of getting past the establishment, and nobody -nobody- who hates Trump has been able to paint a credible picture of how Cruz would walk away with the nomination if Trump never showed up.

    • KG says:

      None taken Bo, if it’s me that was addressed to. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_smile.gif
      But what I’m hearing is mostly sound and fury, signifying very little.
      “He’s about reaffirming that Americans still have a choice, and if he turns out to be an asshole then they can take their newfound empowerment ..”
      They always had a ch0ice – what they did with that choice is another issue.
      And what “empowerment” is that, exactly? The truth of the matter is that the people are powerless against the bureaucratic juggernaut and no amount of ranting and posturing by any candidate is going to fix that. The bureaucracy is where tyranny lies and short of armed insurrection that’s unfixable.
      If I could press a magic button and elect Trump tomorrrow I would, but I’d do it for the entertainment value, in the full knowledge that he would be all but powerless to fix what’s killing the Republic.
      And what’s killing the Republic is also killing the West and not curable by “democratic” means.

      • Bo Chandler says:

        No president is powerless to fix the bureaucracy issue. The Republicans could have defunded the whole lot if they had a pair of balls between them.

        Trump has the makings of what no Republican president has had in a long time. A mandate backed by millions of extremely angry Americans.

        It’s quite simple. You take a page from Obama’s book. You start making executive orders and firing anyone who doesn’t comply. You yank money from stuff you don’t like and dump it where you find it to be more useful. You appoint an attorney general who will drop cases against republican supporters and launch a thousand new charges against left wing corruption or threaten said charges if the target doesn’t make themselves scarce.
        You threaten to pull funding from colleges that take federal money and then ignore the bill of rights. You follow through if they call your bluff and then dump the savings in education programs in friendly territory.

        This is not rocket science. You do everything that “powerless” Obama did, only you do it in the opposite direction.

  3. C-CS says:

    REAALYYYY- Trump is in cahoots w/ the R elites–!!>>>
    C-CS

    • C-CS says:

      SARC – and- nor more R elites por favor !!!
      C-CS

    • The Gantt Guy says:

      How else do you explain the endorsements from Christie, Hatch, Dole et al?

      • Bo Chandler says:

        So just to be clear, Trump, who has been shit on by every orifice of the establishment since day one is actually in cahoots with the establishment, and Cruz, who is married to a GS executive who co-authored a study for the proposed North American Union is a candidate beyond reproach?

        Trump, who doesn’t need monetary support from the donor class.
        Cruz, who has no money EXCEPT what he can beg from the donor class.
        Trump, who was born in America.
        Cruz, who would be dogged with eligibility issues and whom the democrats would rightly decry as an avatar of Republican hypocrisy after all the shit they laid on Obama’s birth details.

        If Cruz isn’t yet a puppet he soon would be. He simply doesn’t have the platform or the cohones to bust up the DC racket. Maybe Trump does. Maybe he doesn’t. But a slim chance is better than no chance at all.

        • rivoniaboy says:

          Lets just expand on the Goldman Sachs connection for a moment – is this the same GS that was bailed out by the Fed. with taxpayers money because they were totally fucking insolvent and Lloyd_Blankfein the head of the bank had the gall to say were “doing God’s work.

          As far as I am concerned Cruz’s wife is an acolyte at their altar and any connection to these self serving parasites is beyond redemption.

          • Bo Chandler says:

            I find it egregious that a factor which against any other candidate would have become the sharpest arrow in the quiver is somehow equivocated away with platitudes like “she’s a “dissenting voice”, and “you can’t choose who you fall in love with…”

  4. MikeH, says:

    If all Trump could do is insure Hilary goes to prison, he’d have my vote. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif

  5. The Gantt Guy says:

    Sorry guys, I may have been a little strident in my comments above, but … I just don’t get it.

    The TEA Party movement rose up in 2008 to protest the crony-capitalist bailouts. The message then was “Don’t Tread On Me”. Heroes of the Conservative movement and more than a few newcomers gave impassioned speeches advocating Conservative principle – small government, low taxes, individual liberty, personal responsibility. In the intervening years, Conservatives have given the Republican Party the House of Representatives, the Senate and 1,000 local and state seats and governships, defeating Democrats and GOP establishment hacks across the board. Yes, there have been a few betrayals, but on the whole – particularly outside of Washington, DC – the Conservative movement has never been stronger. Before I get to my question, a little history lesson:

    There have been precisely 3 occasions in the past CENTURY when Americans have had an opportunity to vote for a Conservative for President.

    Calvin Coolidge became President in 1923, and was elected in 1924. Coolidge was Vice President to Warren Harding in 1919, when the US economy entered recession. A little-known fact is that the stock market fell farther, and faster, in 1919 than it did at the start of the ‘Great Depression’ in 1929. Coolidge’s approach to the recession was to take the boot of government off the throat of American business. He reduced the size of government, and slashed taxes and regulations. As a result, the economy recovered within 2 years. By contrast, when the market again crashed in 1929, FDR massively ramped up government re-distribution and economic protectionism, which prolonged the depression over a decade and resulted in a much slower recovery.

    Barry Goldwater ran in 1964, against LBJ. Arguably, the Republicans could have run Jesus Himself in 1964 and they would have lost, following the assassination of Kennedy.

    And then there’s Ronald Reagan, who (as will the next President) inherited an economy in decline as a result of an inept, radical leftist of dubious character with a bent towards a government-first solution to every problem. His Conservative policies – small government, low taxes, individual liberty, personal responsibility, strong national defence – resulted in growth rates of 5-6% for much of the early 80s, coming off the 1979/80 recession.

    That’s history. For all that leftards bleat about how ‘capitalism’ destroys, and results in income inequality, there have been TWO genuinely free-market capitalist Presidents of the US in the past century. And in each case, the lot of the poor has improved exponentially.

    And now, for only the fourth time in a century, Americans have an opportunity to nominate a genuine Conservative to represent the Grand Old Party in a Presidential election. A man who, by word and deed, has proven his Conservative credentials, who has taken on everybody from his own party to the United Nations to the terrorist-cuddling Marxist currently occupying the White House … and won (at least, won more than he’s lost).

    And what are they doing? They’re falling for a thin-skinned, bloviating narcissist. A man who can’t so much as define the term ‘Conservative’, and whose policy positions (to the extent he’s even bothered to articulate policy) are leftist Democrat across the board. A man who is so unoriginal, he’s stolen his campaign slogan from Reagan! A man who is so ‘anti-establishment’ he’s spent the past 4 decades donating to the worst far-leftists in politics, and who has said he can ‘do deals’ with every establishment voice in Washington. And who’s been endorsed by such anti-establishment characters as Bob Dole and Jimmy Carter fercryingoutloud, for the sole reason that he has no fixed principles and their men in Washington will be able to manipulate him!

    So, here is my question: what was the TEA Party movement about? Did they really want to get government out of the way and let them get on with their lives? Or are they happy to have a strong-man in office, so long as he’s *their* strong-man? Because make no mistake, Trump’s position on the role of government is EXACTLY the same as Obama’s.

    Trump is the Nelson Muntz candidate, and as far as I can see, the only reason to support him is because you believe the greatest experiment in human freedom in the history of mankind is over, is damaged beyond repair, and you want to burn it all down. If Trump is elected (God forbid it should be Clinton, Sanders or Crazy Uncle Joe), the Constitution and the Conservative movement will die. I can’t believe you, my friends, are so pessimistic, so please, make me see it. Make me see what you see in this orange-haired, thought-bubble-burping, not-very-bright walking headline?

    • Magoo says:

      The mania on Trump is based on one thing Gantt – that his 2 good policies on national security (i.e. the beaner wall and anti muslim immigration) have blinded everyone as to the rest of his lefty policies. He wants to implement tariffs against US companies for outsourcing to cheap foreign labour, which is something I’d expect from Hillary Rotten Clitoris or Bernie Sanders, & he’s going to replace Obamacare with a renamed Obamacare.

      The same people who support Trump don’t realize it because they’re swept up in his border security soundbites, but by voting for Trump they’re voting for a RINO who’s just as bad as the ‘establishment’ they say they despise. I’d say it’s the right wing equivalent of ‘hope & change’, but Trump’s policies don’t resemble anything right wing – he’s a registered Democrat voter & has been financing them for crying out loud. Might as well vote for Obama’s buddy Christie if he had a border policy.

      Trump’s supporters try to get around it by disingenuously saying Trump’s a ‘nationalist’ not a Republican, but what he really is is a stock standard New York liberal with a track record of voting for, financing, & being close personal friends with the left, and a set of policies that reflect his left leanings.

      I liked Trump at first, but then I heard him talking about his policies & I saw straight through him. Either the people who support him have no idea of what his other policies are, or they’re willing to vote in a RINO of the first order & sell out to the left purely because of Trump’s border security measures that Cruz (a proven conservative) would enforce anyway.

      I hope I’m wrong, but I think that Trump will just continue the work of the left, except the US will have a strong border this time. Cruz is the only one who would implement a truly right wing conservative government AND protect the border, but because he’s running against their beloved one trick border security hero Trump who’s conned them all into ignoring his stated leftist agenda, they hate Cruz’s guts. Madness, & it’ll more than likely end in disaster all over again, with the finger of blame being pointed at the Republican Party instead of those responsible.

      • Darin says:

        Okay,so if by some miracle “true conservative” Ted Cruz is elected,we will get the whole conservative laundry list plus backdoor amnesty.So in addition to the 20 million illegals we have now,another 20 million more will pop up overnight like mushrooms then it’s still game over.The first 20 will end up with voting cards and the white house will be occupied by the party of free stuff from now on.

        The video Cruz thought nobody saw,this is him pushing his amendment to the gang of 8 bill better known as the sugar to make the poison go down easier.
        https://youtu.be/J7iEwoBhIKE?t=3m30s

        “Permanent legal resident status” okay so they aren’t members of the country club,but they have free use of the links and club house.

        • Magoo says:

          Right, he tried to water down the bill to prevent illegals getting citizenship by giving them residency instead in the event the bill passed. It didn’t pass, and his current policy is deport them all and don’t let them back in due to the fact they all broke the law.

          Trump wants to spend a fortune kicking them all out and then wants to let them back in again.

          • Darin says:

            Regardless,at this point if Cruz is the nominee,Hillary will be the new president.

            • Magoo says:

              No she won’t. Trump’s probably already reached his maximum voting population amongst the Republicans. I don’t think many of those who support the other Republican candidates would support Trump when their preferred choice drops out, but are more likely to rally behind whoever is running against Trump (i.e. Cruz). Rubio won’t last, but he might stink the place up long enough to sabotage Cruz’s chances.

              If Trump is the nominee it won’t matter too much if it’s Hillary or Trump, they’re both liberal Democrats. The border will be secure under Trump but that’s about it.

              • The Gantt Guy says:

                The polls clearly show that in a head-to-head matchup, Cruz beats Trump by 16 points. I’ve no idea why Kasich and Carson are still there, but Rubio is definitely spoiling Cruz’ water.

                And no, Darin, if Cruz is nominated it won’t mean a Clinton presidency. The polls show Cruz beating Clinton in a general (the same polls which show she beats Trump).

              • Bo Chandler says:

                More of this nonsense we’ve been hearing for months about how “Trump has reached his ceiling”.

                He reached it at ten percent. Then twenty percent. Then thirty percent. etc etc etc.

                I’m no mathematician, but I can safely predict that Trump will never, mark my words, NEVER get more than 100 percent of the vote. After 100 percent he’s definitely hit his ceiling. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_negative.gif

          • The Gantt Guy says:

            Yep, exactly. Cruz went for the ‘poisoned pill’ amendment, then went to the House of Reps (which really pissed Boehner off) and advocated against the Bill.

            Those two actions are what killed that bill.

            Cruz’ plan on immigration is far stronger than Trump’s – Cruz doesn’t have touch-back amnesty, AND he has a plan to deal with the 40% of illegals who came in legally and forgot to go home.

  6. KG says:

    “..because you believe the greatest experiment in human freedom in the history of mankind is over, is damaged beyond repair..”
    I do believe that. I believe it’s true in every Western “dimocracy”. (no, it’s not a typo).
    Welfare and the universal franchise made it inevitable and neither can be wound back.

    • Richie says:

      Yeah screw on person one vote, but is the problem women, black people or both? I’m sure Trump/Palin will sort it out anyway.

      • The Gantt Guy says:

        Oh Richie, do fuck off would you.

        • Richie says:

          KG’s right on man. Extending the franchise beyond white male property owners has resulted in the end of western civilisation. Surely you don’t disagree. I like Ben Carson btw.

          • The Gantt Guy says:

            I won’t bother arguing the failure and futility of the universal franchise with the likes of you. I’ve expended too much energy already today arguing with people I like and respect, to bother with you.

            And I liked Carson too, but now he needs to go home.

  7. Ronbo says:

    “So, here is my question: what was the TEA Party movement about? Did they really want to get government out of the way and let them get on with their lives? Or are they happy to have a strong-man in office, so long as he’s *their* strong-man? Because make no mistake, Trump’s position on the role of government is EXACTLY the same as Obama’s.”

    I think I’ve answered that question already, but once again – Yes, We The People in our wildest dreams would like to see the restoration of the old decentralized republic of the 18th and 19th centuries, where government was small and not a factor in everyday life, and individual accomplishment and private ownership was everything.

    Alas! Contemporary history moves in the opposite direction – and I think by putting Trump on their Tea Party shoulders, We The People have come to terms with the world as it is – The Welfare State….Big Government.

    The disagreement is over how the economic pie is being sliced – and all those nasty foreigners crowding into the country and demanding a share they have no right to own.

    Like France in 1796, the Leftist revolution of the last seven years has blown up – and its radical leadership may be facing The Blade in the coming years.

    Yes, the strongman has arrived…and Yes, We The People don’t care about his past, as long as he does in our domestic enemies – and figures out a way to keep the Welfare State afloat, stops illegal immigration, provides good paying jobs and keeps America protected with a strong military establishment and law enforcement.

    Our strongman…along with national socialism…fascism…But we’ll call it “Trumpism,” no doubt.

    Napoleon comes again – I just hope our Bonaparte doesn’t invade Russia. :-)

    • The Gantt Guy says:

      You do realise, don’t you, that in order for Trump to be what you believe he is (what he claims to be) you have to completely ignore everything he’s said and done for the past 40 years.

      And for Cruz to be anything other than what he claims to be, you likewise have to completely ignore everything he’s said and done for the past 40 years.

      You do know that, right?

      • Darin says:

        Reagan was a lib dem for how long?

        • The Gantt Guy says:

          He saw the light and campaigned for 2 decades for Conservative causes. Trump saw the light 2 minutes before deciding to run. The light he saw was the bulb going off that Republican voters are easier to scam than Democrats.

  8. Ronbo says:

    Everyone: Excellent article by Peggy Noonan on the Ruling Class (She calls them the “protected” class) and the Frankenstein they created which has turned on them. I C&P’d the article on my blog because the Wall Street Journal wants money to read it.

    http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2016/02/does-ruling-class-understand-danger.html

  9. Ronbo says:

    @The Gantt Guy:

    Believe it or not I like Ted Cruz – He’s a stalwart Republican and Christian – In fact, I admire him. Also, I think he’s intelligent, a nice guy and great family man who would make a great president – and if the times were different this would have happened.

    …but the times have pushed up Trump to the top – like the revolutionary situation in the 1850s/60s gave the captain’s chair to Abraham Lincoln – what’s happened is beyond logic and reason. One year ago could you see this coming? Man proposes, but God disposes.

  10. The Gantt Guy says:

    Wow, but this thread has left me feeling depressed and miserable.

    So, I’ll tell you what … elect Cruz President and enjoy life without the IRS, EPA and dozens of other agencies on your back. Enjoy a Coolidge- or Reagan-style recovery. Or…

    nominate Trump and enjoy life under President Hillary Clinton.

    Meantime, enjoy this footage of Trump’s first State of the Union

    https://youtu.be/sGUNPMPrxvA

    • Bo Chandler says:

      Can you explain the pathway for a Cruz nomination absent Trump? With the establishment out to get him and having pennies on the dollar against Rubio and/or Jeb?

      If Trump beat him so easily how are you powering the belief that Trump would lose to Hillary where Cruz would win?

      There seems to be a disconnect with any rational expectations.

      • Pascal says:

        Wombat, the following addresses a lot of questions you and others have asked above. Trump’s lead has a great deal to do with how the SSM has covered Trump. I understand if you can’t make the connection easily. Simply start with his history of liberal connections and then, before you discard the contradictions that present themselves even with his remarks today, ask yourself “why has the double agent always been a nightmare for intelligence agencies?”

        One more thing. In his first book, the Art of the Deal, he laid out his technique quite boldly. “I play to people’s fantasies. … a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe…”
        He’s become an expert in this. And we on the right have been set up by the betrayals of so many allegedly on the right so that we are ripe for the huckster who appeals to our emotions. Even on this thread many Trump supporters admit to giving reign to their emotions. To paraphrase “I don’t care if he is proves to be a fraud in the end, he says what I like to hear.”

        Darn it all Wombat. He’s using the same formula that Rush Limbaugh used to become number 1. He and Roger Ailes got access to the Sacramento Bee’s letters to the editor discards and recognized that there was a goldmine out there dying to hear their own words repeated to them over the air.

        Even Ronbo knows I’m right about this. He doesn’t want talk anymore. He wants action. A Trump win brought about by all his promises that he will deal away at his whim will almost certainly force us into the situation that will bring the action Ronbo keeps telling us is long overdue. And you know Ronbo is right about what will happen.

        • Pascal says:

          BTW, Deal away at his whim is what he also promises. And that is precisely why we’re fed up with the RINOs in the first place. He’s a former Dem who finds comfort in the RINOs even as he lambastes them. RINOs are what my reader who came up with the acronym SKUNC as more fitting than RINO now calls straight out traitors. Trump is simply what a black sheep member of their kind looks like.

  11. Darin says:

    “So, I’ll tell you what … elect Cruz President and enjoy life without the IRS, EPA and dozens of other agencies on your back. Enjoy a Coolidge- or Reagan-style recovery. Or…”

    Never going to happen,he’s a lawyer,backed by corporate law firms,getting rid of the EPA and IRS would be akin to shooting themselves in the foot.

  12. mara says:

    If Trump becomes President, and I’m on Peggy Noonan’s side as to the reason why this is possible, he absolutely MUST realise that he knows sweet FA about anything unrelated to making money, and wise up damned quickly with good advisers. Cruz would be a saner choice but hey ……http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_unsure.gif

  13. Bo Chandler says:

    This is all getting a little toxic so my olive branch extends thus far.

    Cruz may be a great guy and a stalwart conservative but America does not have the time to watch him spending four to eight years slowly winding back a fraction of the damage done over the last century, if he even gets any traction at all.

    America the patient is terminal. Diet and exercise are not going to cut it and Trump is the only one offering to get out the scalpel and the hacksaw. He may be a quack, MAY be, but if your options are a slow death or a gamble on going under the knife then it’s perfectly understandable that people are choosing to go under the knife.

    • The Gantt Guy says:

      Well one thing’s for sure mate (and while I appreciate your olive branch, and the spirit with which it was posted, I will continue to believe Trump is, and has always been, a liberal Democrat), and it was alluded to in the article and clearly on display in this thread. If Trump *was* an agent of the Establishment bent on wreaking havoc in the Conservative movement, he’s doing a bloody good job of it.

  14. KG says:

    Thanks to you both for a civilized and informative debate. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif

  15. Michael in Nelson says:

    That civilized debate is thanks to you KG. Canning the spammers quickly assures the rest of us a proper forum.

    But back to the politics of the moment, I am really excited at the amount of interest in the current election. The rise of the outsiders (no matter which party or who you favour) has ignited interest like I haven’t ever seen. That kind of involvement can only be good for the Republic.

    • KG says:

      Thanks, Michael. :D
      I agree that the involvement is a good sign but I’m also afraid that it’s come too late.

      • The Gantt Guy says:

        Yup, what Michael said.

        Thanks for taking out the trash and sweeping up the floor.http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif
        Thanks for providing us with a ‘safe space’ http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_whistle3.gif
        And thanks for keeping the fridge stocked with beer.

        Mostly the beer.

  16. KG says:

    And now for some light (political ) relief, some serious confusion and stupidity from a supposedly “respected” Brit media figure.
    On Clinton:
    ‘But she seems the only candidate remotely fit for the responsibility of occupying the greatest office in world politics. She knows that government is about compromise, which no Republican front-runner dares to admit.’
    Yegods!!!!!!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466618/Rage-middle-class-America-Renowned-optimism-today-consumed-self-doubt-hatred-voters-mad-hell-backing-lunatics-frightening-election-MAX-HASTINGS-covered.html

  17. "Pascal says:

    Here’s an image. Is it sad? You be the judge.

    Hardly surprising given the endorser is a well-known opponent of the 2nd Amendment and was the primary reason he did not stand a iceberg’s chance in Hell of getting conservative votes. Birds of a feather flock together and Trump is tone deaf to this contradiction.

  18. Ronbo says:

    “Even Ronbo knows I’m right about this. He doesn’t want talk anymore. He wants action. A Trump win brought about by all his promises that he will deal away at his whim will almost certainly force us into the situation that will bring the action Ronbo keeps telling us is long overdue. And you know Ronbo is right about what will happen.”

    Great Minds Think Alike (GMTA)

    First of all, I don’t disagree with any of the criticism leveled at Trump by my well educated fellow Crusaders.

    In fact, I’m on record as saying that like Napoleon Bonaparte or Julius Caesar, Donald Trump believes in only two things: The greatness of Himself and the potential for His country to dominate the world under His leadership.

    Indeed, Trump is the historical poster boy for Action.

    …and the Action is gonna start in the good ole USA in 2017 if Trump is elected, because the Leftard Establishment/Ruling Class will not accept him as president without a fight – an insurrection that may lead to civil war. 1861 redux. CW II.

    • Pascal says:

      “I’m gonna open up our libel laws, so when they write purposely negative and horrible, false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money,” Trump said at a rally in Fort Worth, Texas.

      “We’re going to open up those libels laws,” he added. “So that when The New York Times writes a hit piece, which is a total disgrace, or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, [or ronbosoldier.com] writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money.”

      —-
      ‘And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? ‘

      • The Gantt Guy says:

        This is it exactly. Kiss the First Amendment good-bye.

        With a Cruz Presidency, the flavour is already baked in. You know it’s chock full of Constitutional goodness. For all the slander about Goldman Sachs (he took a MORTGAGE FFS, and does any thinking person really believe Trump can build all those hotels and casinos without going into debt, both legitimate and illegitimate, to banks and other assorted nefarious characters?) he has been protecting and defending the Constitution his entire career. You know precisely what you’re getting.

        But what happens if Trump is voted in and he’s what I think he is – just Hillary Clinton with orange hair? What do my fellow Crusaders do then? He appoints a ‘moderate’ to the Supreme Court and the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 10th Amendments are gone within 6 months. Thomas resigns or ‘has an accident’ and the rest of the Constitution surely follows within a year. Trump is just as likely to sign executive orders curbing Americans’ freedoms as Obama, which means within a year, America is the police state everyone’s been fearing for the past 7 years. Is this really the desired result?

        Of course none of those are guaranteed, but with Trump … you just don’t know. He is the strongman you’re all saying he is. Which is fine, until President Kim Jong Trump turns the flamethrower on … you.

        • Pascal says:

          I hope it is not too late to add this additional wrinkle to this threat.

          Recall Obama declaring at the United Nations “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Even leftwing Snopes says it’s true.
          http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obamafuture.asp

          Well, slander usually requires that the statement made is false, not an accurate reporting. But in the EU they have prosecuted people for reading straight out of the Koran or for straight reporting what Imams tell their congregations.

          Slander in this age has been redefined as anything that tarnishes the preferred narrative or its proponents.

          Donald Trump has actually labeled as lies any facts of him on video saying things that run contrary to his current message and that those who report accurately he calls liars.

          Here is where Donald Trump and Barack Obama agree. If we do not make this clear to more Americans before they go to vote in the primaries they will be faced with two lying liberals to vote for in the general election.

          Our job is to find a way to make this clear and break the emotional ties that have made Trump the idol of so many frustrated conservatives.

          It is clearly not an easy task.