‘If not Putin, who?’

Posted on February 27, 2012 by KG

‘..He stands – as no other major leader does in the world today – for the rights of nations to decide their own business inside their own borders.
‘…Russia, he believes, has had quite enough privatisation. And that is why the searing beam of selective outrage is being turned on him by the global media and many Western foreign ministries, not to mention the ‘activists’ who roam the world deciding which governments are bad and which good…’
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30 Responses to ‘If not Putin, who?’

  2. KG says:
    February 27, 2012 at 00:12

    It’s ok guys, just experimenting here. :lol:

  3. dondiego says:
    February 27, 2012 at 02:25

    Saw a doco, maybe a year ago on Sky, saying Stalin’s making a comeback. Also saw the (British) host get quite animated towards a bearded “academic” responsible for leaving important historical mass-murder out of the kids books.
    Your link (to Takimag?) a few weeks back got me wondering about a Russia-based Eurasia rising too.
    This decade’s definitely going to be interesting…

    • KG says:
      February 27, 2012 at 08:04

      DonD, that Eurasia thing has slipped under the commentariat’s radar for some strange reason, but it could in fact become the biggest story of 2012, I reckon.

  4. Darin says:
    February 27, 2012 at 02:52

    I dunno,given the alliance between the Communists and the Islamists I don’t see where Putin coming back really does anything good for the world.In fact I see a lot of bad if a Communist hardliner is put back in control.We know what his stance is on Iran and Syria and we know what his stance is on Israel and the US.I just don’t believe that there is anything unique about a typical belligerent Russian.

    Sure he made some points in Chechnya,but looking at it critically that was just Putin reminding the Islamos who is boss.When you add in him trampling the media,killing and imprisoning opponents it doesn’t look good.

  5. Andrei says:
    February 27, 2012 at 05:23

    Darin ;
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is a Giant among world leaders – that is why he is so scary to the pygmies who would rule over us. For better or worse the man is a genius whose accomplishments for Russia are beyond dispute and if anyone in New Zealand could do do for this country what he has done for Russia in real terms we would be astounded.

    Look at the way Al Gore has become a billionaire and then try and tell me that political patronage and corruption doesn’t exist in the West – FFS my money is usurped to keep that prick in the style to which he is accustomed as well as feeding other troughers closer to home whether I like it or not. Easy to see the mote in others eyes and miss the log in your own as they say.

    You know who is bankrolling the protests against Putin? George Soros and that should tell you something worth knowing.

  6. KG says:
    February 27, 2012 at 08:02

    I’d forgive Putin just about anything for this alone: He won’t hand Russian sovereignty over to either the U.N. or to the EU bureaucrats. It ain’t for sale and not for trade.

    And a leader who would trample our media would be very welcome, because right now that pack of leftists are the biggest threat to our freedom. ;-)
    And freedom….speaking of which, I very much doubt that Russians live under such stifling PC nannying controls as we do. There’s more than one way to measure freedom, but by most measures ours isn’t looking so bloody wonderful. Not only that, but what remains is very, very likely to be handed over behind our backs in the name of “international law/agreements/treaties”
    What we have is the memory of and the illusion and the myth of freedom. In almost no way are we truly free..
    I’ll take a Putin tank over a Key/Gillard sly erosion any day.

  7. Andrei says:
    February 27, 2012 at 08:58

    Background Oleg Deripaska, a rich man owns a large factory in a town called Pikalevo which he had allowd to become run down and had stopped paying his workers wages.

    The town was dependent entirely of this factory.

    This is Putin sorting it out, live on TV – it worked, the factory got put back into operation and the people got the money they were owed

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMlsbB33QSc

  8. Kris K says:
    February 27, 2012 at 09:21

    I’m with Darin:

    “We know what his [Putin] stance is on Iran and Syria and we know what his stance is on Israel and the US.”

    And I would narrow that even further: An individual’s or nation’s view on Israel pretty much says it all in my Book. I can only see the communists and Islamists further uniting forces in their attempts to overthrow both the West and Israel. The fact that most of our Western leaders are at best soft Marxists will only hasten the West’s demise.

    And in Putin’s case, the enemy [Putin] of my enemy [UN, EU bureaucrats, et al] is not necessarily my friend.

    • KG says:
      February 27, 2012 at 09:40

      I’m not suggesting he’s anybody’s friend. What I am suggesting is that tyranny takes many forms, and to ignore our own while demonising Putin for standing up for Russian sovereignty isn’t particularly clever.
      And while support of Israel is vitally important, it cannot become the sole benchmark by which we measure a leader’s worth.

      • Kris K says:
        February 27, 2012 at 11:25

        But people reading different commenters may get the sense that Putin is a friend of the West – I was simply clarifying my view in that regard.

        I think we’re essentially on the same page, KG – most of us here demonise tyranny in ALL its manifestastions. And I think my highlighting that “Western leaders are at best soft Marxists” revealed that I am not ignoring tyranny on home soil.

        And my referencing Israel was more as an acid test than suggesting it as “the sole benchmark”. Ultimately the enemies of freedom and liberty are ALSO the enemies of [the Judeo-Christian] God, and hatred for Israel is a barometer for hatred of God.

        Darin’s comment at 10:20 encapsulates my view.

        • Andrei says:
          February 27, 2012 at 11:47

          Russia, by tradition and history, Kris is the defender of Christianity in the Middle East.

          If you read Russian accounts of what is happening in Syria they suggest that Russian policy there is in part to protect the Syrian Christians.

          • Kris K says:
            February 27, 2012 at 13:43

            Lets not forget, on the other hand, that communist Russia is no friend of Christianity. And nor would you describe Russia as having been a Christian nation for quite some time; communism and Christianity being antithetical to each other.

            If Christians benefit from Russian policy in the ME then that is purely coincidence, IMO.

            • Andrei says:
              February 27, 2012 at 14:47

              Holy Russia, Kris. is the guardian of the Christian Faith. 60 years of communism was the devils failed attempt to break that.

              Football Crowd chanting you have any idea what the opposing fans are chanting at each other?
              Хрїстóсъ воскрéсе! Christ is Risen!

              Воистину воскресе! Truly he has Risen!
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZmJjPC1dUcтос

              Meanwhile back in the good old USA say the Lord’s prayer at a high school football game and the court will order you to desist

        • Andrei says:
          February 27, 2012 at 11:50

          Putin’s job is not to be a friend of the West, it is to serve Russia’s interests – if that conincides with Western interests that good – if not well why should he subvert the interests of the Russian people to appease the NYT.

    • Darin says:
      February 27, 2012 at 10:20

      Putin,the UN,Soros,our respective marxist leaders all threads in the same cloth IMHO.

  9. KG says:
    February 27, 2012 at 09:48

    “The fact that most of our Western leaders are at best soft Marxists will only hasten the West’s demise..”
    We, the people are busily pissing away our own liberties, without help from outside. We’d be a whole lot better served by addressing that problem first.

  10. KG says:
    February 27, 2012 at 12:08

    Some fine, brave and principled people have stood up against the marxist influences in Western media and education,for instance, and been crucified for it. While the sheep looked on and watched, slack-jawed and semi-comprehending. Looked on, that is, when they could be bothered to drag themselves away from their poker machines and soap operas and circuses….
    The sheeple are an apathetic uninformed rabble which deserves what’s coming. The pity of it is, they’re going to take down a lot of decent people with them.

  11. kowtow says:
    February 27, 2012 at 14:34

    The Russians apparently are aware that they have a huge problem within their own borders. The remnants of the Tsarist Empire that has bequethed them a 20% Muslim population.
    I saw a news item some years ago that said their military planning and spending is taking into account future wars in their south. Perhaps within their own borders ala Chechenya.
    This could also account for their continued support for regimes like Syria and Libya. There is more danger to Russia from Islamic fundamentalism than there is from those old dictatorial Arab regimes .

    • Richard says:
      February 27, 2012 at 18:21

      There’s a simple solution to Islam, that’s even prophesied. Nuke Mecca and destroy that rock they worship. End of Islam (and the collateral damage in the MME wouldn’t do any harm either).

  12. kowtow says:
    February 27, 2012 at 19:26

    What did I tell you. I wish I was this good with the lotto numbers.

    See this from the UK Telegraph.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/9108018/Russia-foils-Chechen-plot-to-assassinate-Vladimir-Putin.html