This is jaw-dropping stuff!

Posted on April 27, 2016 by KG

‘Fundraising Christian musician traumatised after US police seize $77,000 without warrant’

This shit will only be fixed by thousands of angry, armed citizens – and a willingness to do what’s necessary.
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22 Responses to This is jaw-dropping stuff!

  1. Grog says:
    April 27, 2016 at 19:03

    The theft has been happening since the 1990’s.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91555835

    • KG says:
      April 27, 2016 at 19:50

      Yes, it has and there’s been almost no effort made to reform it.

      • Grog says:
        April 27, 2016 at 20:25

        That’s the difficult part of the easy solution, the environment used to be one where politicos and cops would use discretion because of the responsibilities of their work, now they only care about having the advantage, and to paraphrase the song, “you just can’t shoot them and expect to get away with it.” Chris Dorner found that out.

        Jose Guerena was a different situation. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_negative.gif

  2. MacDoctor says:
    April 27, 2016 at 19:39

    Love the gentle sledge at the end of the article. “It made us [think] like American police are the same as our police in Burma”.

    Just so.

    • KG says:
      April 27, 2016 at 19:50

      Lord knows how this kind of thing makes ordinary, decent police officers who are trying to do a good job feel.

      • Brown says:
        April 27, 2016 at 20:43

        I don’t care how they feel really – they are part of the problem or part of the solution. Police that say nothing when bad things are happening on the force are just as guilty as those that fleece the innocent.

        • KG says:
          April 27, 2016 at 20:52

          Fair point, but easier said than done for a man with a job and a family to support.

          • Bo Chandler says:
            May 1, 2016 at 20:23

            I used to give a shit. Afaic fukkem all to hell. Nazis manned death camps with that mentality.

            There are no good cops in America. There are crooks and affiliates. You might as well say “not all Latin Kings are crooks” but the fact is that they make the numbers that give the crooks cover and weight.

  3. Darin says:
    April 28, 2016 at 00:36

    The best ones are done by the feds.There was one in Ohio,an independent grocer who was taking in $8-12,000 a day in gross receipts.He was storing the money in the company vault and having an armored car company pick it up every Friday.His insurance company got wind of it and told him he couldn’t keep that much money on the premises for fears of liability in case there was a robbery.

    So he starts taking the days receipts to the bank everyday.Well anytime you go to the bank and drop $10,000 or more in a transaction,it is reported by law to the IRS.So the IRS sees all these “big” deposits going on everyday and because they didn’t make the connection of it being a grocery store they swoop in and seize the account suspecting money laundering for drug activity.
    So he hires an attorney to iron everything out and get his money back,which he does.Then the feds step in again and charge him with structuring,which means an attempt to avoid the reporting thresh hold by making a series of smaller deposits. So he’s still in trouble for breaking a law he didn’t know existed,by engaging in perfectly legal activity.

    And it’s not just the cops and the feds either,it’s also the Tort system.One of our customers at work owns a business and operates two 2ton box trucks.They decided to replace one truck with a new one and in so doing sold the old one at auction.No big deal right?
    Nope,they get a letter in the mail recently they are being sued because the third owner of the truck after they sold it caused an accident which involved injuries.So now that person is seeking damages because supposedly them selling the truck,meant there was something wrong with it when they sold it. :evil:

    Ya,it’s that bad.

    • Col. Bunny says:
      April 28, 2016 at 04:33

      That structuring stuff is poisonous. Congress sets a $10,000 threshold for reporting, I think it is. So that’s the threshold, right? I’ve not read the statute but you’d think the Congress would have considered that one $11,000 deposit flags the owner, which is what we want, but what if someone makes 20 deposits of $9,000? Have we written the law so that guy skates? Reasonable question but it seems it never got asked and now you have instances where people with legit reasons to deposit large amounts of cash get punished because a police officer exercises untrammeled discretion as to what is or is not a legit reason. (Different from the forfeiture situation in the article.)

      In this country and, it seems, in all Western countries simple but very serious problems are ignored and uncorrected. You’d think legislators would recognize the problem of creating police incentives to rip off motorists so they can buy muscle cars and other super duper gadgetry. I saw a Georgia police department once that advertised that their cars were all financed courtesy of drug forfeitures. Good for the taxpayer but was it only druggies who contributed the cash?

      Including the seller of the truck isn’t necessarily bad. It allows court discovery motions to be directed at the seller for maintenance records and the like. The actual defect that caused the injury might have been known to the seller. It’s not unknown for humans to conceal defects in vehicles they sell. Not saying these guys did but if I were representing the injured person I would be doing my job if I didn’t consider all possibilities. Of course, I’d drop someone from the suit early on if I couldn’t find concealment.

      • Darin says:
        April 28, 2016 at 05:49

        Two points-

        First $10,000 used to be the threshold,but so many of the ones they wanted to catch slipped around it they lowered it at least twice,last I heard it was $6500.So it is a stupid and largely ineffectual policy,but they keep just lowering the threshold.So where does it stop? $5000 $1000 or $20?The shocking part is in the case of the grocery store owner,even after it was apparent no criminal activity was taking place,they still went after him for structuring.And try getting those legal fees back,good luck with that one.

        I maintain if we had a tax system based on sales tax only none of it would matter.The war on drugs is only about taxation and control,not about getting drugs off the streets.

        Second point,the lawsuit regarding the truck.It was sold to a vehicle auction,a dealer bought it and sold it to a third party in another state who then resold it to the final owner.
        It was sold “where is as is” meaning the original owner made no claims as to warranty or road worthiness.What the case is about is simply a trial lawyer throwing stuff against a wall to see if anything sticks and then shaking down the defendants for a settlement.It happens all the time and it costs us all dearly.

        A much better system would be “loser pays” where the cost of trivial lawsuit would be paid by the plaintiff.I’m tired of paying for other people’s dishonesty and stupidity.

        • Col. Bunny says:
          April 28, 2016 at 13:44

          This recent IRS source indicates the threshold is still $10K. Regardless, I’d like to know what is a 100% way to take out $9,000 each day if your jolly well feel like it and don’t think it’s any of the government’s business. More like it, you risk huge expense and intrusive investigation if you guess wrong without such definitive guidance, if any exists. It’s rather absurd anyway. Do drug dealers and financial criminals move money around in such small amounts? No, they don’t. Small-time citizens do and the government loves to go after them. It’s sad. This is what very intelligent people come up with.

          From what I can tell, selling something “as is” merely makes clear there are no implied warranties. I rather doubt that a sale under those conditions would shield a seller who had intentionally concealed a defect that later caused injury. Not my area but no one should be spared my uninformed speculations.

          The “loser pays” idea has merit but no all lawsuits are begun by extortionate swine. I would prefer that the man of limited means can bring suit against a man of means. The loser pays rule would discourage too many meritorious suits. Your mileage may differ. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_smile.gif

          • Darin says:
            April 28, 2016 at 14:02

            Read section 4.26.13.2.1 carefully.I doubt the $10,000 number,reason being in the age of computers and electronic banking(all of banking is)it would be a trivial matter to look at every transaction over a given value and red flag someone based on patterns of behavior.That value,based on what they are looking for could be anything and it wouldn’t be the first time the feds front less than true information to snare people they want.

            The truck suit is a very dangerous,the main reason why,think of how many potentially lethal things you currently own.Now think of how many things you could be sued for if something you sell or even donate were to in some form injure the new owner.See what I mean?

            • Col. Bunny says:
              April 29, 2016 at 21:10

              I use stuff up and throw it away but even if I sold/donated a toaster, bike, computer, or TV I can’t see such things killing anyone. Worst case, they’d just die. So, no, there’s little chance of liability for injury. Even for most people.

              My fine auto has 450,000 miles on it and I’ll never sell it. If I did I’d sell it “as is” myself and would be stunned if I were sued later too. If the brakes failed or suspension collapsed there could be serious injury, but would the attorney for the injured guy really think I sold the car knowing of a serious detect? That seems a stretch for the guys in your example. I wonder if the injured guy is relying on a product liability theory. I seem to recall something about needing to join everybody in the chain back to the manufacturer…. Just not an area that interested me, however. The petition would tell the story. Still, it’s a bite to be drawn in but the case seems unusual. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_scratch.gif

              • KG says:
                April 29, 2016 at 21:21

                “I wonder if the injured guy is relying on a product liability theory.”
                Yep, that occurred to me also, Col. Bunny.

  4. Ronbo says:
    April 28, 2016 at 06:48

    Blow it all up!

    Swept up the ashes and bury them.

    Start all over again with proper safeguards in place to keep the nightmare from happening over and over.

  5. Brown says:
    April 28, 2016 at 09:37

    Would they do it to a Muslim?

  6. Darin says:
    April 28, 2016 at 14:05

    Liberal values WILL NOT stand the test of time-

    https://youtu.be/YP1zPr_Fnc8

  7. Warren Tooley says:
    April 28, 2016 at 17:07

    Maybe, you’re not aware of it, but John Key, has agreed to the same or a similiar thing. At the end of a year their were 3 announcements. One of which was if you profit from crime your assets can be seized. They even said even if you have a trust we will take from it, if you profit from crime. So New Zealand is not immune, and this is under a National government.

    Also we used to have the ‘financial transactions reporting act of 1996’. Where if a bank teller could see suspicious transactions, they are required to tell the police. They’ve come up with an even worse law to replace it. So we aren’t immune from this.

  8. Warren Tooley says:
    April 28, 2016 at 17:11

    John Key Three important announcements ………

    On a different matter, we all know that P is a problem in New Zealand. It hooks people from all walks of life, spreading misery. In 2009 New Zealand had one of the highest rates of Pusers in the world. Five years later we’ve more than halved that figure. And we want to keep that reduction going. Under laws we passed, if you profit from crime, your assets can be seized. $30.5 million has been forfeited so far and of that, seven million has been set aside to tackle P.

    This includes more spending on drug and alcohol rehab programmes. I am confident this focus will help reduce the use of P, and make our communities safer…..