Not atheists.

Posted on August 28, 2013 by KG

Anti-Christians
UPDATE: from the comments, GW of “Wolf Howling” says:
“…The bottom line is, regardless whether one believes in Judaism or Christianity, we will pay a very heavy price indeed for jettisoning them as the bedrock of Western society. Yet that is precisely what the left has sought for over two centuries, promising in their stead a secular heaven on earth. Ironically, should they fully succeed, history teaches us that their promised earthly heaven will be far more likely to resemble biblical hell.”

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26 Responses to Not atheists.

  1. Mike says:
    August 28, 2013 at 09:01

    Not all of us are anti-christian, far from it. Christians are some of the nicest people I know. That cross is tiny and would hardly dominate the memorial. Provided they don’t make it the centrepiece of the memorial and try to make the whole thing about religion I have no problem with it.

    • Mike says:
      August 28, 2013 at 09:25

      Just want to add that these guys are in no way representative of all atheists, their anger and pettiness gives the rest of us a bad name. They are no different to religious fundamentalists trying to force their beliefs onto others.

      To me the essence of a true atheist is to live and let live. People are entitled to believe what they want, as long as they are not hurting others.

      One thing I do object to however is the religious indoctrination of children from a young age, which I believe is tantamount to child abuse (see the youtube videos of kids in schools in Gaza, as an extreme example). If god(s) really do exist then people shouldn’t have to be tricked into believing in them.

      • Ciaron says:
        August 28, 2013 at 11:24

        If god(s) really do exist then people shouldn’t have to be tricked into believing in them.

        I guess you’ve never talked to any of those nice Christians you know about what and why they believe?

      • mawm says:
        August 28, 2013 at 14:18

        One thing I do object to however is the religious indoctrination of children from a young age,

        It is not only religion that indoctrinates kids at a young age. Socialism in the schools, socialism over the TV, and socialism in Hollywood movies/cartoons are just a few examples. Even in our homes we indoctrinate our kids with our (non-religious) beliefs.

        With respect to Judeo-Christianity, the principles espoused in both the New Testament and the Old Testament formed a philosophy by which the Western world lives with respect to the way people behave towards each other. Whether you believe in a god or not does not mean that you have to discard those values because they are just as important today as ever before.

        • Mike says:
          August 28, 2013 at 15:32

          Agree with you mawm about socialist indoctorination being everywhere. It sickens me to see it everywhere in my kid’s school. I spend a lot of time providing them with alternative arguements to counter all the environmental and socialist BS they are taught, as well as all the revisionist NZ history they are brainwashed with on a daily basis (noble savages sitting around the campfire singing, clapping and holding hands etc, while being slaughtered by the evil colonists blah blah you get the picture).

          I think you will find that the principles “espoused in both the New Testament and the Old Testament” that “formed a philosophy by which the Western world lives with respect to the way people behave towards each other” were around and in widespread use long before they were written.

  2. KG says:
    August 28, 2013 at 09:31

    “To me the essence of a true atheist is to live and let live. People are entitled to believe what they want, as long as they are not hurting others. ”
    Exactly.
    I don’t describe myself as a Christian, although I’m not an atheist. But these people have gone far beyond simply choosing not to believe, they’ve become anti-religious zealots. And whether they can see it or not, whether that’s their intention or not, they’re doing the left’s and islam’s work.

    • Mike says:
      August 28, 2013 at 09:54

      What pisses me off about people like this that call themselves atheists is they are not really atheists at all, they have simply swapped belief in a traditional religion for a fanatical belief in the modern religions of socialism/liberalism/multiculturalism/environmentalism insert your ‘ism here. To me they are just as irrational as followers of traditional religions.

      • Ronbo says:
        August 28, 2013 at 10:16

        This not the work of the atheists – who could care less about religion – this is the work of one Barack Fucking Obama the Fucking Communist (spit!) who – like Stalin – hates Christianity – and will destroy every church in the USA if we aren’t nuked by the Russians and Chinese this weekend :!: :evil:

  3. Brown says:
    August 28, 2013 at 11:40

    Mike, you’re waffling. Its either live and let live or not. Religion that only does what you want when you want it is not respecting what religion is about. I find Christianity compelling and liberating and the more I study the more I am comfortable with it. None of my kids believe, although I’d like it to be different, but that’s their position to hold. I was a floater at their age as well.

  4. Darin says:
    August 28, 2013 at 13:16

    Atheism is just a belief system like every other,only it becomes exceptionally dangerous when zealots get hold of it to a point it even surpasses Islam in it’s murderous insanity.

    • Mike says:
      August 28, 2013 at 13:58

      Really Darin? Atheism is more dangerous that islam? How many planes have atheists flown into buildings lately? You sound like you are referring do communists or nazis, rather than atheists.

      BTW that is a pretty lame definition of atheism. Here is mine:

      Atheism is non-belief in the supernatural and supernatural deities, or that the supernatural was or is in any way involved with the existence of the universe and the evolution of life on earth.

      • Darin says:
        August 28, 2013 at 14:42

        Godless,Atheist by definition Communism killed upwards of 120million last century and are continuing on in this one as we speak.So,yes Atheist Zealots are more dangerous than Islamists.I guess next you will tell me that Mao and Stalin had regular Church Socials the first Sunday every month.

        “Atheism is non-belief in the supernatural and supernatural deities, or that the supernatural was or is in any way involved with the existence of the universe and the evolution of life on earth.”

        You have no way of proving that,therefore it is a belief system.You are free to believe in nothing and insist on the Universe being an infinite series of completely random interactions of plasma,just don’t insist I believe the same as you and we will get along fine.

        • Mike says:
          August 28, 2013 at 15:19

          Cool with me Darin, as I said I don’t hate christians. I guess by my own definition communists are atheist. Communists are also human, as are christians, so does that make christians evil by association?

          I’m sure I read somewhere that over the last 14 centuries it is estimated that muslims have killed around 260 million people.

          “You have no way of proving that,therefore it is a belief system.” Just as you have absolutely no way of proving the existence of supernatural beings, yet you believe in them. Dosen’t it make more sense to not believe in something until it can be proven?

          • Darin says:
            August 28, 2013 at 23:12

            “Communists are also human, as are christians, so does that make christians evil by association?”
            No,the two ideologies are diametrically opposed.Communism demands at the muzzle of a gun one give up all belief in anything other than the state.It also allows every atrocity imagineable since man is the final authority.

            Christianity has had it’s problems over the ages,mostly when it was used by the political powers that be as a tool to control the masses.However when allowed to flourish and exercised in it’s proper fashion it leads to freedom for the masses as expressed in a forgotten document that reads in part-“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
            Even if I didn’t believe in God,I would still not be an Atheist,there is simply not enough separation between the ideology of the Communist.

            “Doesn’t it make more sense to not believe in something until it can be proven?”

            I have always studied nature and the surrounding universe and have always came back to the same conclusion.That there is more evidence to suggest a creator or at minimum an inteligence behind what we see.The deeper we look the more complexity we find and it cannot simply be the result of random chance.When examining the evidence there is more support for something rather than nothing.

  5. KG says:
    August 28, 2013 at 17:48

    On any leftist blog you care to visit, a discussion on this subject would have descended into obscenities and insults long ago.
    CR commenters are great people. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif

  6. dondiego says:
    August 28, 2013 at 18:27

    What’s got me more interested in Christianity, mostly, are two things:

    1)The historical burden of proof re: the resurrection seems to be o.k with historians. Up until the well documented Long March.

    2)The recorded new Christians circa/just after the riz who happily suffered horrendous excruciating torture-deaths instead of recanting. That there is some pretty powerful stuff.

  7. KG says:
    August 28, 2013 at 18:31

    “Dosen’t it make more sense to not believe in something until it can be proven?”
    Fair point, but we all believe in things which may have been proven, but the proofs are way beyond our intellectual ability to follow and verify. So that belief is an act of faith, non?

    • Darin says:
      August 28, 2013 at 23:21

      Personally I believe humanity is the first functional prototype in a design,Earth is a laboratory and God the experimenter.

      He’s looking to see how we behave and interact with each other and whether we can be allowed to spread beyond our solar system.If not,out with the trash and he starts over. :mrgreen:

  8. GW says:
    August 29, 2013 at 02:57

    If I could do it, I’d put a 200 ft cross on the 9-11 site. America, at its founding, was a Christian nation with room for all others, including non-believers. What you have today is non-believers who have no room for Christians. Aethism is a religion for these people, and it is the religion of the left. This is something that I wrote some time ago, but it is still applicable:

    Christianity and Judaism are the fundamental pillars of Western civilization. Socialism is a philosophy that seeks to deconstruct traditional society and put in its place a new order overseen by an omnipotent government that would redistribute wealth and use its police powers to create social equality. To this end, socialists have warred against Christianity and Judaism for over two centuries. Indeed, when socialism was born in the crucible of the French Revolution, one of the first acts of the Revolutionary government was to initiate a systematic and brutal war on the Catholic Church and its clergy. As recounted at the American Spectator:

    The secularists of the French Revolution regarded the Roman Catholic Church as the last obstacle to atheism’s final triumph. Blurting this out, the French dilettante Denis Diderot proposed to his fellow revolutionaries that they strangle the last priest with the “guts of the last king.”

    The left has waged this war against Christianity and Judaism ever since. Karl Marx, socialism’s greatest philosopher, famously wrote in his Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right that religion is the “opium of the people” and that “[t]he abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness.” The British socialist party wrote in their 1911 manifesto that “it is a profound truth that Socialism is the natural enemy of religion.” In America, the socialist left has used activist Courts as an a means of removing all aspects of Christianity from the public square. In 2002, the Supreme Court actually held that Christian morality is not, standing alone, a “rational basis” for upholding our nation’s laws. In Britain, the Labour Party is demoting Christianity and deconstructing the Anglican Church. . . .

    All of this has existential ramifications for Western society. For the better part of two millennium, the Judeo-Christian ethic has provided a rock solid framework for morality at the heart of Western society – one that puts maximum value on each individual human life and one that provides moral clarity in such things as Christianity’s Golden Rule and Judaism’s “Great Commandment.” Take that mooring away from the ancient expressions of our deity and all morality then becomes dependent on what any particular person or government defines as the greater good.

    When governments and individuals can define by their whim what is moral or immoral, what is desirable and what is punishable, human life is almost inevitably devalued. Certainly Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro, and Pol Pot, between them responsible for the murder of well over a hundred million people in the 20th century, held to socialist belief systems that devalued human life and elevated in its stead political ideology. Many in the green movement argue that man is a parasite on the world and call for strictly limiting his impact using authoritarian means – including population control, forced sterilization and other such methods. Far less destructive but no less insidious are the new age religions – for but one example, mystic beliefs based on the book and movie The Secret, where one only needs to really believe – and maybe click their heels three times – and then the “universe will provide.” It certainly saves one the trouble of actually dealing with real world problems, at least until they come to crisis proportions. Or the neo-Druidism one can see in practice among the many robed figures gathered at Stonehenge each Equinox. Hopefully these modern day animists will not also seek to resurrect the Druidic custom of human sacrifice.

    The bottom line is, regardless whether one believes in Judaism or Christianity, we will pay a very heavy price indeed for jettisoning them as the bedrock of Western society. Yet that is precisely what the left has sought for over two centuries, promising in their stead a secular heaven on earth. Ironically, should they fully succeed, history teaches us that their promised earthly heaven will be far more likely to resemble biblical hell.