NZ’s flag: A farce in aid of a predetermined outcome.

Posted on February 26, 2015 by KG

‘The Government has announced the panel charged with selecting a shortlist of new flag designs, including reality television guru Julie Christie, businessman Rod Drury, former Defence Force chief Lieutenant General Rhys Jones and sporting legends Beatrice Faumina and Sir Brian Lochore.
Deputy Prime Minister Bill English announced the Flag Consideration Panel today, which will be chaired by John Burrows, the former deputy chancellor of the University of Canterbury. Writer Kate de Goldi is the deputy chair.
Others include Nicky Bell, the chief executive of ad agency Saatchi and Saatchi; former Dunedin Mayor Peter Chin, youth councillor Stephen Jones, academic Malcolm Mulholland and Maori studies academic Hana O’Regan…’   Link
Not a single tradesperson, small business owner, farmer, doctor…….you get the picture. And the agenda.

UPDATE:   Redbaiter over at TrueBlue NZ  has some thoughts on this.

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39 Responses to NZ’s flag: A farce in aid of a predetermined outcome.

  1. pmofnz says:
    February 26, 2015 at 13:32

    That’s $2M of the stated $26M spoken for. The other 92% will be spent promoting The Agenda for Aotearoa. Oh and no doubt there’ll be about half a mil so Mr Key can have a suitable photo op in front of his new rag.

  2. Wombat says:
    February 26, 2015 at 14:29

    Off topic. Sorry. Thought you’d love it though.

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/natalie-bennetts-car-crash-interview-120610141.html

    Britsh Greens for the win! http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif

  3. Odakyu-sen says:
    February 26, 2015 at 17:09

    This is clearly a WMD (Weapon of Mass Distraction).

    Wait until NZ becomes a republic (or ditches the Crown) and then re-design the flag. But not before that.

    • mawm says:
      February 26, 2015 at 17:37

      Along with a constitution that provides us with two classes of citizenship. Apartheid New Zealand – ironically both it and the original instituted by political parties with the same name.

  4. Lara says:
    February 26, 2015 at 21:43

    At least it has to go to a referendum. Can’t see them getting past that last gatepost, but then again, how many referendum results has Key ignored so far?? He really does take the cake for sheer arrogance and having an iron fist. :mrgreen:

  5. George Romero says:
    February 26, 2015 at 21:53

    I’ll be flying the real flag of New Zealand during the vomit inducing referendumb on our proud flag,The flag has the Union Jack on the top left quarter and there is 4- FOUR stars representing the Southern Cross in the middle of it.RED , WHITE , BLUE.
    I bet black , with a stinking fern will be prime weasle’s choice.

    • Oswald BAstable says:
      February 27, 2015 at 07:23

      A chicken on a yellow background.

      • Darin says:
        February 27, 2015 at 13:00

        Flags must be symbolic,so I would suggest a white background with “New Zealand” in the middle in black letters including the quotation marks.

        The name in quotes signifies that “New Zealand” is “Like” New Zealand,but not the same.And the white back ground signifies the surrender to PC bullshit. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_mail.gif

        Years ago when the fight was on to remove the stars and bars from my state flag,I suggested that if they decided to replace it,then the new flag should be a black background with a cat cracking a whip :mrgreen:

  6. Lara says:
    February 26, 2015 at 22:04

    Have we ever had a worse PM? Such unbridled power, such contempt for the lowly voter. National are worse than Lab, they are actually worse. Key, so very morally empty.

    • KG says:
      February 27, 2015 at 01:07

      “Have we ever had a worse PM?”
      I can’t think of one, Lara. Certainly none that has promoted separatism to the same extent as this smirking weasel.

  7. Flashman says:
    February 27, 2015 at 06:51

    Black + silver fern + brown man symbol

    What’s the bet?

    • KG says:
      February 27, 2015 at 07:18

      I’m not a betting man, but it looks very, very likely. I wonder how long before NZ’s Chinese masters demand another change?

  8. Cadwallader says:
    February 27, 2015 at 10:07

    On balance I think a revision of NZ’s flag isn’t a bad thing. I have no idea what the replacement ought to look like but suggest as a minimum the Union Jack should go. While the Jack has past connotations it is anachronistic for it to remain given it was included at a time of Empire. I understand the change of flag in Canada was not without debate but in the 50 years since their flag has become instantly recognisable and telling. The South African flag intended to convey an image of a “rainbow nation” (wtf??) is an indescribable mess and seems to have been the product of a rush-job. For the msm to suggest that the flag debate is a mask and a diversion is ridiculous, imagine the outcry were the government to decide on a new flag without public debate?

    • Wombat says:
      February 27, 2015 at 10:24

      I bet that once Canada changed its flag and got rid of that colonial relic everyone native and imported alike suddenly started holding hands and singing kumbayah.

      I’d like to click my fingers and have a proper national flag, but the sad truth of the matter is that we in Australia no longer have a nation. We have two nations. One of progressives and one of conservatives. I suspect NZ is the same.

      • Cadwallader says:
        February 27, 2015 at 10:44

        Good point. I do not recall there being any public debate regarding the NZ maori flag which has zero constitutional relevance but is deemed fit to be flown from the Auckland Harbour Bridge from time to time. Designing a new flag will take years.

  9. KG says:
    February 27, 2015 at 10:54

    “but suggest as a minimum the Union Jack should go.”
    Yeah. History can be so…embarrassing, can’t it? Especially when we’re being colonised by China.

    • Cadwallader says:
      February 27, 2015 at 11:18

      I don’t know about embarrassing but the fact is the Brits could barely give a stuff about us these days so why hang on to the incidentals of Empire? All the good this country will ever receive from Britain has long been received.

      • KG says:
        February 27, 2015 at 16:08

        “so why hang on to the incidentals of Empire?”
        You mean like the rule of law, notions of equality regardless of colour, a thousand years of culture and a storied history, the abolition of slavery and cannibalism etc etc etc.

        “All the good this country will ever receive from Britain has long been received.”
        So I assume you feel free to dump all signs of people you associated with in the past and who did you some good, whether by favours or benefits, if they are no longer in a position to do you some good? And you don’t acknowledge that the person you are now is inextricably a part of those influences?
        I wouldn’t want you as a friend, Cadwallader.
        And no wonder you favour open borders – you don’t value your own culture.

        • Cadwallader says:
          February 27, 2015 at 21:56

          This is an absurd response. I hardly think the rule of law could be described as an “incidental of Empire” whereas the corner feature of a foreign country’s flag would seem to be so. Your second paragraph is little more than a flowery non-sequitur to a reference to revising a flag. I don’t get this at all.

          • KG says:
            February 27, 2015 at 22:00

            I didn’t expect you to get it, Cad.
            We’re not going to agree on this, because I don’t regard a national flag as some rag to be changed on a whim or for trivial reasons of ideological fashion. Or by trickery and subterfuge.
            The flag represents-in part-the history of this country and as such should be beyond meddling by academics and cringeing apologists.
            That ends all I have to say on the matter.

            • Wombat says:
              February 27, 2015 at 22:42

              I can see one problem with changing the flag.

              Whining bitches will start running short of crap to complain about.

            • Cadwallader says:
              February 28, 2015 at 07:20

              I am indeed surprised by your response to my statement that we have had the best from Britain. This blog has frequently bemoaned the parlous state of Britain as it now is: Filled with soft progressive politicians and fraught with socialism. Why continue to tout that country’s emblem on our flag? That is my point. I don’t think there is a whimsical desire to change the flag. It is motivated by a question: Is it still apt? Personally I don’t know other than to advocate deletion of the Union Jack.

        • George Romero says:
          February 27, 2015 at 22:26

          Thanks KG , you are absolutely right.
          I love my English whanau’s contribution to building this country.
          We Farmers are the real tangata whenua of this country.
          Eff you turia and haraweria

          • Cadwallader says:
            February 28, 2015 at 07:24

            George, I think you have misread my post as it seems has KG. I am not decrying heritage but stating what I believe to be incontrovertible: i.e. We have already had the best we can attain from Britain. Rather than erasing what we have had in the past it is timely to examine what Britain can still offer us. I suspect very little.

            • Wombat says:
              February 28, 2015 at 12:20

              I bet you’re a real friend, for true, when the going gets tough.

              I can imagine myself standing next to you when the enemy advances. You turn to me and say, “it is timely to examine what our brotherhood can still offer me. I suspect very little.”

              And then, there is a cloud of dust where you used to be, and I’m left wondering whether I’ll ever see that hundred bucks I lent you yesterday.

              Real character.

              • Cadwallader says:
                February 28, 2015 at 12:54

                The Brits stopped any hint of a close relationship with NZ when they deserted us in the 1960s. The allegation of desertion clearly rests elsewhere.

      • Wombat says:
        February 27, 2015 at 18:25

        I don’t suppose your parents are going to fare well in late life… :roll:

          • Wombat says:
            February 27, 2015 at 22:38

            No. The reply was listed to Cadwallers post re: “…why hang on to the incidentals of Empire? All the good this country will ever receive from Britain has long been received.”

            As stated.

            I don’t suppose your (read: “his”) parents are going to fare well in late life…

  10. mistress mara says:
    February 27, 2015 at 17:22

    Politically, this is very stupid and Key should know better. There is no mood, as far as I can see, for a flag change. And even if there were, which flag should be chosen? No JK. There is no need, it’s a waste of money and you will piss off more people than you would encourage with such a witless move. A legacy move? Please no ….!!!!

  11. Wombat says:
    February 27, 2015 at 18:31

    At this late stage of socialist advance the altering of a flag would be nothing more than a victory dance.

    I’d be entirely unsurprised to wake up one day and find they’d gone with a simple change. The Union Jack replaced with the hammer and sickle.

  12. KG says:
    February 27, 2015 at 22:13

    ‘Two Cheers for Colonialism’ Dinesh D’Souza

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/680152/posts