Is not at all what it seems at first glance:
“Perfect timing for the regime. Federal provocateurs, sociopaths and idiots with a John Brown complex are writing checks that they expect the rest of us to cash in our blood,”
‘…And yet, as wrong-headed and suspect as are the actions and the motives of the few people who are currently holed up in the Fish and Wildlife Service office (and they are far fewer than is claimed), the rest of us are still prisoners of our own enunciated principles. Bundy and the others (including several people whom are widely suspected of being federal provocateurs) have indeed written a check that they expect the rest of us to cash in our own blood in a ghastly civil war. Yet we cannot allow the federal government to take advantage of this perfect propaganda opportunity that they have apparently spent such effort contriving and use deadly force on the occupiers without response. As at the time of the Freemen standoff, we must get across the message to the Feds that if they do so, there will be a national response in those local areas of operations where we are strongest, politically and militarily. Frankly, this is a plea for any adults in the room in DC to intervene and use caution before this blows up in all of our faces.’
UPDATE:
NZ Herald headline:
‘Why aren’t these men called terrorists?’
‘They’re armed, they’ve taken over a government building and are refusing to budge until they get what they want. They are also white and Christian.
…..The sometimes-coded but increasingly overt ways that some Americans are presumed guilty and violence-prone while others are assumed to be principled and peaceable unless and until provoked – even when actually armed – is remarkable.’
Janell Ross. Washington Post
I won’t even comment on this piece of sly, disgusting distortion and propaganda. Perhaps one day people like Janell Ross will get what’s their due…as perhaps that useless rag the Herald will, also.
Federal provocateurs!
COULD BE!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1905)
Father Gapon – the leader – was a member of the Imperial Secret Police.
Also, I was eyewitness in Orlando, Florida to a march by American Nazis in 2007 – it turned out that the head Nazi was, in fact, an undercover FBI agent.
The motive of the FBI was apparently to have a big media covered Nazi march to see how many would join up…The total number of Nazis at the march…Less than 25…
Downtown Orlando was shutdown for the Saturday of the march…millions of dollars lost by closed businesses…millions for a 250 man OPD SWAT team and added security…for what? 25 FUCKING NAZIS!
An anti-nazi sting operation managed to take down the head of a neo-nazi outfit in America some time ago. From memory they netted one actual nazi and six federal agents from different agencies, none of whom were aware that the organisation was headed almost entirely by brother-feds.
I bet the membership were left scratching their heads…
One does get the distinct impression that Obama et al are working hard to provoke some kind of response they can discredit the liberty lobby with. I’ve been expecting something along these lines for a while. Hopefully, they won’t get something like the Okahoma city bombing that saved the Clintons.
I can tell you from personal experience in Orlando, Florida during 2007 that at least one Federal provocateur in a key position was very active in trying to make something very dangerous and deadly happening there – as you can well imagine, when the Nazis decided to march thru the middle of the black community on the east side of Orlando it did not do down well – although there was no violence – largely thanks to the efforts of dozens of black ministers – and a part of the country where Christianity is taken seriously.
So the way it looked like to me – and more than a few Patriots in Central Florida – another motive of the Feds WAS TO START A RACE RIOT! I mean what else can you think when the man who planned, financed and led the Nazi march thru eastern Orlando was a FUCKING FBI AGENT?!?
We have ample evidence that the Federal agent provocateurs have been active over the years in starting acts of massive civil unrest – (Does Ferguson, Missouri ring a bell?) and we have the historical record to prove that Secret Police agents in Russia were responsible for the Bloody Sunday Massacre that started the Russian Revolution of 1905.
Like I said before, I think Obama’s main objective – and that of many members of the Federal Law Enforcement Establishment – is to start massive civil unrest with the goal of martial law, cancellation of the November elections, and a massive crackdown in 2016/ 2017 against the opposition.
I think they know the country is headed for a massive reaction against their policies and the only way to survive is by violence – the problem for them is the dogs of war may turn on them and destroy their little red utopia-in-the-making.
Fed(US) still under british law –Admiralty Law- and it is also in Australia and NZ !
This telling video is worth all of our time–I usually do not sit long enough to view and listen to a 26 min vid–glad I did for this one – came from a trusted Patriot – as a comment on my post about the land taking – RE: the Hammond family-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3JqIceKh6I
Carol-CS
This just popped up on the Drudge Report and may be the real federal/Obama motive for causing this incident:
http://www.infowars.com/oregon-stand-off-could-boost-obamas-gun-control-push/
GUN CONTROL!
I mean the timing is really suspect – the same week Obama is doing an EO for more federal gun control – the militia grabs a federal building.
However, the same dynamic of uncontrollable massive civil violence is in play, as well as blowback on the Regime.
All these occupiers are achieving is to provide the Kenyan with more “reasons” for gun-grabbing.
And perhaps that’s the motivation of the ringleaders?
In fairness, these stooges are always launching “initiatives”. You couldn’t pick a single day of the year to take a piss without being accused of conspiracy by someone.
By my count the Bundy guy is there, so it feels legit. Provocateurs may be present, but perhaps they underestimated the situation and now they’re shitting themselves about having their cover crowdsourced to shit.
Taking over the building was done to attract media attention.Unfortunately the media is pro government,so long as the government isn’t stepping on their toes.So the biased reporting is doing the usual damage and so far none of the commenters under any of the biased articles have bothered to look for their own answers or even seek out the backstory.
One thing the right desperately needs to do is master the art of telling the narrative.This should have had a two or three week build up in the conservative media BEFORE it got to this point.The backstory should have been put out and sympathy built for the Hammonds,then shift the narrative,build public outrage and start naming names of officials involved.Get them on camera and corner them,then things,might happen.
Personally I don’t think anything will come of this current problem except a stain on the freedom movement.
Thing is, we don’t operate a closed circuit media/political/activist ring like the left does. The very idea is generally anathema to us.
If we did, we wouldn’t be conservatives and we wouldn’t like who we saw when we looked in the mirror.
Our way is this. We say “keep conniving, peddling and pushing, you’ll know when you’ve crossed the line.”
I once worried that the day of reckoning would never come. Now it seems inevitable.
Agree, the timing is curious. The pertinent question is: Qui Bono? The answer: The Emperor Hussein I.
I haven’t been following this story, just catching it here and following a few links has made me think that the Freemen/Liberals/2nd Amendment supporters have been infiltrated by the Gov’t. I’d be surprised if they weren’t. We have to tread carefully lest we end up doing their work for them. Whatever and whoever is involved I pray for their safety, no more Waco’s – free or not. The Gov’t needs to learn its place.
“The American Empire” is getting like the late Russian Empire under Czar Nicholas II – After 1894 the powers-that-be knew a revolution was brewing so they raised an army of Secret Police to infiltrate and control the all most likely revolutionary groups, such as the Leftist Russian Social Democrats and the Rightist CADETS (Constitutional Democrats)….
I submit the same thing has been happening and is happening in this country.
This is something else I can tell you from personal experience – I’m on double secret probation for life – U.S. Secret Service Watch List. And what I’m I? A nothing! A retired old soldier of 67 years. What possible threat could I be to anyone except to my bartender’s bottom line – if I don’t pay my bar bill on first of the month…Yet the Secret Service insists on spying on me at considerable cost to the taxpayer. I should note they operate outside the color of law to dog my heels.
Anyhow, if the Feds can mobile a small national army to watch one old harmless man, you can just imagine what force they deploy against any group they think is halfway serious about a revolution. So like the Czar’s old Secret Police, Federal agents infiltrate and attempt to control the actions of ANY group – or any individual – they think may pose a revolutionary threat to the Regime, no matter how remote.
But thing is the Federalist attempt to stop a rebellion will not be anymore successful than was the attempt by the Czar’s secret service to stop the Revolutions of 1905 and 1917.
A revolution is not something that be stopped or controlled anymore than a hurricane or an earthquake.
Always worth a re-read.
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/what-i-saw-at-the-coup/
I’m going to suggest that you are uninformed of why what is going on is going on. The included link is the best full account I’ve read.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/
Please explain in detail just how much corruption, graft, perjury, conspiracy to defraud perpetuated by the govt are you willing to tolerate.
Worth a read-
Bundy: US Attorney Threatened Hammonds With ‘Less Desirable Prison’ If They Talked To Me
http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/04/ammon-bundy-us-attorney-threatened-hammonds-with-less-desirable-prison/
The Feds on down to local government are a lawless bunch of assholes.They routinely violate the law in dealing with people they have a hard on for and they do it with impunity because they know the legal fees will bankrupt most people.
Even if you have the money to put up a fight,you will still end up in front of a federal judge and we know which team they play for.Now let’s say you do have the money and you do prevail,the question then is-what charges will they fabricate next?
+1
I don’t give a shit who these occupiers are or why they’re there. True-America needs this, and it’s not going to play out how the scumbags in Washington hope it will.
I don’t think the feds will lay a finger on anybody there.If they do at the very minimum it will open a can of worms as to all the other illegal BS the feds have been doing.
Reading the comments under some news articles,the libs are acting all boots and badass calling on the government to”crush” the rebellion or start up re-education camps.I got news for them,I want them to make the first move cause then the dog comes off the chain
It never ceases to amaze me. They transition from “We are the 99%” to “murder the rebels!” in the blink of an eye.
Good.
I’m only too happy for the enemy to self-identify and start drawing lines in the sand.
Remember,it’s only treason when we do it.
KG, the following was tweeted by Breitbart’s Ben Shapiro and you may see how it is somewhat connected to your update of the NZ Herald’s view.
“Why do they hate us?” – Leftists about Muslims who kill Americans
“Kill ’em.” – Leftists about ranchers occupying an empty building
Hypocrisy and inconsistency were ever the defining characteristics of leftards, eh Pascal?
@KG and Pascal:
Yes, there are the double standards of Leftists at play in the Oregon stand off – and like Sarah Palin remarked years ago, “Without double standards, the Left would have no standards at all.”
But importantly is the fact that the Left hates their loyal (and so far very peaceful)opposition of Americans – much, much, MUCH more than any domestic or foreign enemy of the United States of America.
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THEY HATE US AND WANT US DEAD JUST LIKE THE MUSLIMS!!! THIS IS WHY THEY ARE ALLIES!!!
As the Left sees, we American nationalists are the only thing standing between them first conquering America and THEN THE WORLD!
THIS IS WHY THEY ARE ALLIES!!!
Exactly !
They are Power Junkies.
Maybe this is why the Feds want the Hammond’s ranch…
https://www.intellihub.com/hammond-ranch-may-be-sitting-on-precious-metals-materials-the-blm-wants/
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