John Key’s goons?

Posted on January 29, 2016 by KG

“straight intimidation at the behest of the National Government”.

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35 Responses to John Key’s goons?

  1. C-CS says:
    January 29, 2016 at 10:20

    Did you see what the fed did to our racners who were quietly protesting over gvt. take over of their land–note- the fed gvt owns more proptery that all of the US citizens combined–
    the original words of the Declaration – Life – Libery – PROPERTY –because the Founders of the US knew that the the ‘royals’ could wrest property at will–well – the new ‘royals ‘ are those running the fed gvt.
    C-CS

  2. Bo Chandler says:
    January 29, 2016 at 11:57

    Looks like the civilisational saboteurs on the left are finding that the globalist elites have no use for them anymore. My how they shiver when the kid-gloves start to come off and they realise they were only ever a highly disposable means to an end.

    No comments section on the article that I can find.

    My response would have been.

    “Do you have a warrant to search my property? No?
    Am I under arrest? No?
    Hold still while I take a picture of two Nazi collaborators. Thankyou.
    Now fuck off.”
    *slam door

    These mewling little progs sure don’t have much of a spine when they’re not mobbed up, do they? http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_unsure.gif

    • KG says:
      January 29, 2016 at 13:22

      No, they don’t and they’re an unlovely lot. But there are plenty of ordinary people with real concerns about this agreement, and the people have a right to peacefully protest, Key’s Gestapo notwithstanding.

  3. Michael in Nelson says:
    January 29, 2016 at 13:42

    The issue is worth keeping an eye on but this is in the Herald, faithful friend of anything leftist. If someone is organising a protest, I would think the police should have a talk with them so as to be able to plan for crowd control and traffic disruptions. If one of the principal organisers doesn’t come to the relevant authorities with a plan, shouldn’t that authority visit them for information?

    I’m not saying the above is the case but I view with suspicion anything that rag publishes which sides with the Greens or ‘they’. (‘it’ is also gender neutral, why isn’t that a satisfactory use since it is singular?)

    • KG says:
      January 29, 2016 at 15:07

      I distrust the Herald too, Michael, but SOP would be for the protest leaders and the police to get together first to sort those things out, not for the police to door-knock individual potential protesters.

      • Cadwallader says:
        January 30, 2016 at 07:29

        I am inclined to Michael’s point of view. Why shouldn’t the police approach known protestors before a likely event to ascertain their intentions and plans? The police did not make random calls but rather sought out those known to oppose the TPPA. As for the trans-gender whining creep in Dunedin I suggest he/she (or as preferred, “they”) is enjoying the public attention. If I were on a list of known protestors my response would be that of personal shame rather than belly-aching about a visit from the authorities. “Goon squad” to me suggests brutality rather than a cautious interview. (For the record, the opposition to the TPPA being likened to the 1981 tour issue is vile. The 1981 tour by South Africa turned on issues of morality,whereas the TPPA is a trade agreement which was referenced in both National’s and Labour’s manifestoes. The opposition by a rent-a-mob gaggle is an 11th hour fiasco intended to destroy this country’s international profile despite strong support from the electorate for its inception.)

        • KG says:
          January 30, 2016 at 07:44

          “The police did not make random calls but rather sought out those known to oppose the TPPA. ”
          My point exactly.
          “Why shouldn’t the police approach known protestors before a likely event to ascertain their intentions and plans?”
          Because it will be seen as attempted intimidation.
          ““Goon squad” to me suggests brutality rather than a cautious interview.”
          Your “cautious interview” (you’re sure they were cautious, are you?) can still constitute intimidation.
          “..despite strong support from the electorate for its inception”
          I’ve seen little evidence of “strong support” other than from the media and carefully selected spokespeople.
          “The opposition by a rent-a-mob gaggle..”
          The opposition to the TPPA constitutes a far more diverse group of people than the rent-a-mob idiots.
          I oppose secrecy in government except where it is absolutely essential, and anybody who “strongly supports” an agreement which was negotiated in secret without public input and which will affect our lives is a bloody idiot.

          • The Gantt Guy says:
            January 30, 2016 at 07:56

            http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif :mrgreen: http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif

            I shoulda read your comment before entering my own!

          • Cadwallader says:
            January 30, 2016 at 07:59

            1 The Police are paid to maintain order. A prophylactic visit to a known protestor is an implement in doing so.
            2 Who has such an overwhelming degree of sensitivity to regard any visit from the police as intimidating?
            3 The Dunedin person his/herself stated it was only a talk.
            4 There is “strong support” in the electorate for the inception of the TPPA. During the most recent elections the inception was heralded by National and Labour. There was not a single protest in NZ on the TPPA until following Helen Clark’s endorsement of it in 2015. I am yet to meet anyone who has pondered the TPPA and read the document who is opposed to it. There are the perenniel anti-free-traders who oppose it for their own reasons, but this was inevitable.
            5 The TPPA was not negotiated in secret as the opposers claim. It is understood that business sensitivities needed to be veiled but the planning and negotiations were known to anyone who bothered to enquire.(Compare this to the China FTA, the existence of which was unknown until 15 working days before its inception.)
            6 It is amusing to see the blatant schism in the Labour Party caucus over the TPPA. I suspect that if Labour was the government there’d be barely a murmur of protests about the TPPA.
            7 Where can I muster-up a personal “goon-squad” to assist me to collect some historic debts?

            • KG says:
              January 30, 2016 at 08:08

              Gawd, I could drive a truck through most of those points, Cad. But I’ve been up since 0230 and not feeling well enough for that kind of amusement.
              Maybe after the morphine wears off a little….. :lol:

          • Warren Tooley says:
            January 30, 2016 at 16:35

            KG, on at least the goon squad, and yes with other points I agree. ‘We are the goon squad and we’re coming to town, beep beep’ And if you listen to the rest of the song, the goon squad tells people what to do, how to dress. So in this case the police are the goon squad.

            https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi34Yn4zNDKAhUFXqYKHSXSDfAQyCkIHTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DGA27aQZCQMk&usg=AFQjCNEI0PimfcArQ4uBNjIQ6aAH3z_VlQ&sig2=aBzKYBt-cezf86Bx5v5vSw

            If the link don’t work, fashion-david Bowie

        • The Gantt Guy says:
          January 30, 2016 at 07:51

          I know it’s tangential, but Cad I fear your slip is showing.

          I agree there’s no comparison to the 1981 protests, but to label all those opposed to the TPP a ‘… rent-a-mob gaggle…’ completely erases the presence in opposition of the number of highly-educated, highly-qualified people, including doctors and lawyers. The opposition to the TPP is not borne solely from an anti-free-trade perspective, although I accept many, perhaps even a plurality, of the protest is coming from the far-left communists with which our once-great little nation is infested.

          There is absolutely no guarantee the TPP will pass the US Congress. The concerns are real, and to tar all of the protesters with a single brush is disingenuous.

          You know full-well the TPP is far more than just a trade deal, and you must accept that much of the opposition to it springs from the fact that so much of its content is inimical to New Zealand’s (and other nations’) national interests.

          • Cadwallader says:
            January 30, 2016 at 08:07

            I didn’t see this post until after my most recent. Your last paragraph itself is problematic. Please clarify.I accept that the TPPA is along way from implementation and may not get there due to internal ratification requirements.
            The primary difficulty I have with this post is the denigration of due process by police in describing them as a “goon-squad.”
            I have to dash out to work despite it being a weekend and won’t get back to this until tomorrow.

            • Redbaiter says:
              January 30, 2016 at 14:47

              I have the same objection to this as I do to driving blockades where even the suspicionless are detained when going about their legal business and forced to comply with police commands.

              You should be able to live in your own house in a free country without Police knocking on your door because of an expectation that you may/ may not protest about some issue.

              I agree that a lot of protests are not protests but Bolshevism, but that is an issue that needs other solutions.

              • KG says:
                January 30, 2016 at 19:18

                “You should be able to live in your own house in a free country without Police knocking on your door because of an expectation that you may/ may not protest about some issue.”
                Damn right!

  4. Jamie says:
    January 29, 2016 at 15:12

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/76142097/the-transpacific-partnership-tppa-trade-deal-explained-in-30-minutes

    They keep referring to this TPPA as a ‘free’ trade agreement

    Even this simple bloke knows there ain’t nothing free in this life and there is always strings attached

  5. Cadwallader says:
    January 31, 2016 at 08:04

    Following on from yesterday, I note Redbaiter raises the issue of traffic blockades. I agree that the universal apprehension of drivers by traffic officers is “goon-squadish.” At a traffic point every driver has to prove his/her innocence despite not having been apprehended for conduct suggesting a breach of the traffic law. At one time an officer had to have “grounds to suspect” a driver was breaching a law. We now all have to exhibit that we haven’t been breaching the law. This is an about-turn of a presumption of innocence which occurs under tax legislation too.
    As far as those on the list of likely anti-TPPA protestors receiving an anticipatory visit from the police is concerned, I reject that this is symptomatic of a goon-squad. I think it is important to appreciate that the maintenance of order requires pastoral attendances by the police. Those on the list to be visited weren’t randomly picked-on in the manner of motorists but rather were identified from past conduct. The good order of society is an impossible goal but the fact that occasionally the police need to be prophylactic in pursuit of their role does not make them a goon-squad.
    I have been enthusiastic about the introduction of the TPPA for several years now. I have read it and re-read it. In the past 4 months I have been to seminars hosted by a large accountancy firm, by a firm of patent attorneys and one conducted by a farming group. I did not hear a single utterance of dissent from the participants. The support certainly appeared to be universal. I think Gantt and I may both be wrong as to the majority of NZ’ers supporting the inception of the TPPA. I suspect that most Kiwis will simply let it wash over them without assessing either potential benefits or disadvantages. I see from the media that those protesting the inception of the Agreement were not great in number, hence it is easy to construe that there is a majority composed of the indifferent alongside those who favour it.

    • KG says:
      January 31, 2016 at 08:26

      “The good order of society is an impossible goal but the fact that occasionally the police need to be prophylactic in pursuit of their role does not make them a goon-squad.”
      Perhaps not, perhaps the term was ill-chosen.
      But the fact remains, Cad, that police appearing to act in support of the National Government – of a political agenda – makes them look like government goons.
      Remember them shutting down the (peaceful, orderly) anti-China protests on the orders of the government of the day?
      Gang members can rampage through rural town centres and the police make no arrests, (even if they do turn up) clearly failing in their “serve and protect” role, yet they can spare the manpower to sit behind radar guns and go door-knocking potential protesters.
      Their proper role has been perverted and they have co-operated in that perversion, thus losing the respect of a significant part of the population.
      I’m far from being anti-police, but I’m very anti many of their policing policies.

      • Redbaiter says:
        January 31, 2016 at 10:40

        “Those on the list to be visited weren’t randomly picked-on in the manner of motorists but rather were identified from past conduct.”

        What past conduct?

        Was that conduct unlawful?

        • Cadwallader says:
          January 31, 2016 at 11:08

          If you were crazy enough to organise an anti-TPPA protest who would you turn to as your confederates?

          • Redbaiter says:
            January 31, 2016 at 11:22

            This boils down to a simple question.

            Do you condone the actions of police in knocking on citizen’s doors and warning them about carrying out any presumed future protest activities?

            • Cadwallader says:
              January 31, 2016 at 11:45

              When they are carrying out a pastoral duty in the interests of public order? Yes! I think their role in this regard is akin to ACC promoting safety to avoid future accidents/injuries. The police and the ACC have statutory obligations to conduct themselves in this manner. Don’t attack the police, attack the legislation!

              • Redbaiter says:
                January 31, 2016 at 12:32

                “Don’t attack the police, attack the legislation!”

                FFS, don’t patronise me. This is an instruction that filtered down from police management otherwise they would have been doing it for years.

                By all means prosecute people for criminal acts, but do not harass them on the assumption of criminality.

                Furthermore, ACC shaping people’s thoughts is IMHO just as big a problem. The govt should not be spending money designed to affect the way NZers think.

                If I had the power, I would shut down all govt advertising. Not only is it dangerous to democracy, its frequently propaganda driven lies, and also creates an unhealthy relationship between media & govt.

                You’re way off track on so many things it amazes me you can portray yourself as some kind of protector of liberty.

                • Cadwallader says:
                  January 31, 2016 at 12:49

                  I am at liberty and am able to champion it due to the base tenet that liberties are protected. I agree that the ACC’s role ought be left to private insurers and the diminishing phenomenon of common sense. I prefer the police to knock on my door than any of the rabble who plan to protest.

  6. Oswald Bastable says:
    January 31, 2016 at 13:02

    To put the police actions in context- how often do you hear of them telling people who go to them warning of an impending crime that they can do nothing as no offence has been committed?
    How often do the cops do nothing because they claim to be too busy?
    How often do the cops fail to act, due to a lack of firm evidence?
    how often do the cops stand by and watch offences being committed, because to act would get all political?

  7. KG says:
    January 31, 2016 at 13:31

    Redbaiter said:
    “If I had the power, I would shut down all govt advertising. Not only is it dangerous to democracy, its frequently propaganda driven lies, and also creates an unhealthy relationship between media & govt.’
    As usual, he hits the nail squarely on the head. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif

  8. KG says:
    January 31, 2016 at 13:34

    Cadwallader said: “I am at liberty”
    Which perfectly demonstrates the power of self-delusion.
    You are only at liberty, Cad, to do that which is not expressly forbidden or is tolerated by your masters.
    And that is no “liberty” at all.