I wonder if anybody at all knows what’s going on there?
Half of me says it’s not the West’s fight, the other half says no bastard should get away with gassing people.
1- A demonstration of decisive action as opposed to the last eight years of constant dithering.If your gonna shoot,shoot,don’t talk.
2- Chinese president Xi was meeting with Trump at the time the attack was launched-“Xi,hold my beer and watch this”
A few days ago I believe it was Nikki Haley that said “we are done talking to North Korea”-So message to China-help us with NK,or we’ll deal with them ourselves.
3-Every president is tested when he first takes office to see what sort of leader he will be.It’s possible the gas attack was orchestrated by Russia/Assad to see just what they are dealing with in regards to Trump.It’s not like they haven’t done it before.
4- I thought we were told by Obama and Putin that Syria had given up it’s chemical stockpile and would not use gas against civilians again?Clearly a false assertion.
5- Even if this was a false flag attack by Syrian rebels aka Isis,destroying that capability was paramount before those weapons cross Syrian borders on their way to the west.
6- This whole debacle since April 4th has demonstrated just how weak and feckless the UN security council is.
Hear! Hear! Da MAN! Darin, we may never agree about CW I and Lincoln, but in this new period of foreign and domestic violence and unrest, we stand together.
America was already boots on the ground in Syria – IT WAS INEVITABLE we be involved there sooner or later. The United Nations are worthless, the European Union is a joke and NATO is nothing unless the USA kick starts the Mother. America is the world policeman on call, like it or not – and only foreign territory we get are the graveyards to bury our dead.
So 100 years after the USA enters WW I – THE WAR TO END ALL WARS – America goes to war.
Of course, on the ground in Syria, we are already boots on the ground – and by this action, Trump has given the signal for, “Over The Top” …. there is something else here too, Trump has given another signal – and this to the domestic opposition led by the Leftist Media and the Democrat Party – “I’ll come against you with naked force as well, if you continue to fuck with the USA.”
I guess its civil war at home and world war overseas, the Yanks are coming!
….but this time we won’t call it, “The war to end all wars” – we’ll just quote Plato, “Only the dead have seen the end of war.”
..and people wonder why I have no pity for Muslim deaths…All pity for them died on September 11, 2001 for me. Yesterday they hit Russia, Today it was Sweden. Tomorrow…? Maybe Seattle? We are a target rich environment for the Religion of Peace.
“Russia was warned about the strike beforehand… and Russian officials likely warned Syria as well. “Russian forces were notified in advance of the strike using the established deconfliction line,” said Pentagon spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis. “U.S. military planners took precautions to minimize risk to Russian or Syrian personnel located at the airfield.” ”
So it could be a conspiracy of the 3 to shut up his opposition. It was a big attack with no real damage.
“Russia was warned about the strike beforehand… and Russian officials likely warned Syria as well. “Russian forces were notified in advance of the strike using the established deconfliction line,” said Pentagon spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis. “U.S. military planners took precautions to minimize risk to Russian or Syrian personnel located at the airfield.” ”
That’s good.
My thought is that if Trump wants to hammer Syria, he needs to do it properly.
1 – Talk to the Russians and patch things up with them.
2 – Reach agreement with them that although Assad is an utter scumbag, he’s the best of a bunch of utter scumbags. Agree to leave him in power.
3 – Both the US and Russia **carpet-bomb the CRAP** out of anything that isn’t Assad’s.
That might be a wee bit on the ruthless side but I’m *sick* of that war and I just want an end to it. If Assad eventually wins then heck – I can live with that.
The last two world wars were all about the creation of israel in 1948…. The next will most likely be about itz enlargement to “greater israel” ….. Jewish immigration advocacy into YT racial nations at genocidal magnitudes ensures that the ‘sacrifice’ of YT ANZACS amongst other YT’s …….amounts to Nothing.
KG, unlike that poster, horsecrap is passingly useful. I put some on the garden once, smelled horrible for a while but the tomatoes that year were fabulous. That Trump/Syria business troubles me the more that I think about it. Trump may be the master of the deal but in international political areas he is a babe in the woods. He was duped by masters in this crooked arena. Now what, I wonder.
“Now what” indeed…
Short of outright war with Russia and China, he could hardly do any worse than the policies of the clown who helped create this mess.
Obama needs to be held responsible for a whole lot of stuff, but we all know that isn’t going to happen.
Those saying there was little damage are believing Russian propaganda being put out for Vlad to save face.There were few major structures at the base to show damage.The big black spot in the sat photo was the control tower,which was one of the few conventional buildings at the site.The rest were hardened hangers,ramp sheds really,that today have nice neat holes in the roofs and burned remains of fighter jets inside.That’s why earth and concrete reinforced structures can still be seen burning 6 plus hours after the attack.
Most of the BS is being spread by Russian state controlled media,which is only ever slightly better than western media.Hell even the Syrian military admits the base received extensive damage.
Whatever hope I have for relations improving between the US and Russia I remain mindful of one inescapable fact-That the Russian government was directly or indirectly responsible for the majority of civilian deaths in the 20th century world wide through their support of international communism full stop.
Communism was brought to the russians by the West. There is nothing good about communism. But this russia is not under communism anymore sadly the west is.
There is nothing nice or heroic about war but the West prevented it from being shorter by supporting the same people they fight in other countries (at least that is what they tell us). Bombing Assad is supporting ISIS is supporting the deep state. ALL of the ‘news’ being spread by the western media is BS.
But I suppose you don’t want more Churches being bombed like today in Egypt. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/09/world/middleeast/explosion-egypt-coptic-christian-church.html?_r=0
So, in my humble opinion, it is better to stop to be the ISIS air support.
IF Russia is really interested in fighting Isis and IF they want our cooperation in doing so,then why orchestrate a chemical attack against civilians using weapons they supposedly destroyed?
It was nothing more than a test to see what they can get away with period.This is the same old Russia,doing the same things they have always done.
We are supposed to believe that somehow Russia is now supposedly fighting terror?I’ll believe that when they turn on Iran.
Ditto: Russia whether it is a republic, an empire, or a communist state will always be fearful of the West.
…and there is a certain wisdom from the Russian viewpoint based on bad experiences- In the 18th century Russia was invaded by Sweden; in the 19th century by France and even lost Moscow, the capital city to Napoleon; in the 20th century Russia was invaded twice by Germany, whose panzers got within 25 kilometers of Moscow in 1941 before they were stopped.
Today America is the big empire of the West with the world’s largest economy and battle tested military that has not known a day’s peace since 1941 – and Russia is afraid of the USA, because although the largest country in world in land mass has the economy of Greece, and a population half the size of the USA.. The Russians mask this fear of the West by appearing to be aggressive. It’s like in prison were a smaller inmate will attack a larger one because he fears an attack by the big guy.
Of course, the big guy may be a nice guy, but the little guy’s experience in life has taught him to fear bigger men and look aggressive at all time.
Therefore, Russia just plain doesn’t trust the West – oh, and by the way, the USA invaded Russia during WW I and seized control of the Trans Siberian railroad for about a year before we withdrew in 1919.
Iran in many ways mirrors their big ally Russia. Both countries are slowly but surely dying with death rates that far exceeds births. In fact, there are scientists who predict that if something isn’t done to turn around the demographics, both countries will disappear in about 100 years.
Thus both countries have become very dangerous because to survive they must expand. Iran looks to do this by taking over Saudi Arabia and Gulf countries. Russia wants to expand into Europe – and now is the time to launch this final offensive, a desperate roll of the dice with all the chips bet on “snake eyes.”
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Good for Donald!!! Of course, Hillary would have sent them money and weapons… like numb nuts did.
Has Donald now morphed into the new Hillary?
I hope they are not getting false flagged into this.
Surely they have more sense.
I wonder if anybody at all knows what’s going on there?
Half of me says it’s not the West’s fight, the other half says no bastard should get away with gassing people.
My thoughts exactly
I see this as-
1- A demonstration of decisive action as opposed to the last eight years of constant dithering.If your gonna shoot,shoot,don’t talk.
2- Chinese president Xi was meeting with Trump at the time the attack was launched-“Xi,hold my beer and watch this”
A few days ago I believe it was Nikki Haley that said “we are done talking to North Korea”-So message to China-help us with NK,or we’ll deal with them ourselves.
3-Every president is tested when he first takes office to see what sort of leader he will be.It’s possible the gas attack was orchestrated by Russia/Assad to see just what they are dealing with in regards to Trump.It’s not like they haven’t done it before.
4- I thought we were told by Obama and Putin that Syria had given up it’s chemical stockpile and would not use gas against civilians again?Clearly a false assertion.
5- Even if this was a false flag attack by Syrian rebels aka Isis,destroying that capability was paramount before those weapons cross Syrian borders on their way to the west.
6- This whole debacle since April 4th has demonstrated just how weak and feckless the UN security council is.
Hear! Hear! Da MAN! Darin, we may never agree about CW I and Lincoln, but in this new period of foreign and domestic violence and unrest, we stand together.
Colonel B. Bunny, a man I respect greatly, has a post up on the subject:
‘Assad lynch mob.’
http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.co.nz/2017/04/assad-lynch-mob.html
Has Trump been badly misled?
America was already boots on the ground in Syria – IT WAS INEVITABLE we be involved there sooner or later. The United Nations are worthless, the European Union is a joke and NATO is nothing unless the USA kick starts the Mother. America is the world policeman on call, like it or not – and only foreign territory we get are the graveyards to bury our dead.
So 100 years after the USA enters WW I – THE WAR TO END ALL WARS – America goes to war.
Of course, on the ground in Syria, we are already boots on the ground – and by this action, Trump has given the signal for, “Over The Top” …. there is something else here too, Trump has given another signal – and this to the domestic opposition led by the Leftist Media and the Democrat Party – “I’ll come against you with naked force as well, if you continue to fuck with the USA.”
I guess its civil war at home and world war overseas, the Yanks are coming!
….but this time we won’t call it, “The war to end all wars” – we’ll just quote Plato, “Only the dead have seen the end of war.”
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/375609403376144384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2017%2F04%2F06%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-tweet-syria-obama%2Findex.html
What’s your point, Robert?
That was then and this is NOW.
….and like Obama said, “My position has EVOLVED.”
Anyhow, nothing but a bunch of towel heads were killed last night…it’s not like REAL human beings were off’d.
Sweden, bringing in the harvest of stupidity and wilful blindness.
Set the sympathy meter to O:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/91355127/three-dead-after-truck-crashes-into-people-in-stockholm–reports
Que the Facebook filters,Teddy Bear and Candle orders.Amazon must be racking in the dough after these attacks.
..and people wonder why I have no pity for Muslim deaths…All pity for them died on September 11, 2001 for me. Yesterday they hit Russia, Today it was Sweden. Tomorrow…? Maybe Seattle? We are a target rich environment for the Religion of Peace.
“Russia was warned about the strike beforehand… and Russian officials likely warned Syria as well. “Russian forces were notified in advance of the strike using the established deconfliction line,” said Pentagon spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis. “U.S. military planners took precautions to minimize risk to Russian or Syrian personnel located at the airfield.” ”
So it could be a conspiracy of the 3 to shut up his opposition. It was a big attack with no real damage.
@Robert: Were you looking at the same pictures of the destroyed Syrian airbase that I was minutes ago? It sure looked blown away to me.
The After Math Of Syrian Air Base That The U.S Bombed
https://youtu.be/VI23FUPkTb4
No not a lot of damage. Not even the runway.
“Russia was warned about the strike beforehand… and Russian officials likely warned Syria as well. “Russian forces were notified in advance of the strike using the established deconfliction line,” said Pentagon spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis. “U.S. military planners took precautions to minimize risk to Russian or Syrian personnel located at the airfield.” ”
That’s good.
My thought is that if Trump wants to hammer Syria, he needs to do it properly.
1 – Talk to the Russians and patch things up with them.
2 – Reach agreement with them that although Assad is an utter scumbag, he’s the best of a bunch of utter scumbags. Agree to leave him in power.
3 – Both the US and Russia **carpet-bomb the CRAP** out of anything that isn’t Assad’s.
That might be a wee bit on the ruthless side but I’m *sick* of that war and I just want an end to it. If Assad eventually wins then heck – I can live with that.
Sounds practical to me, Tranquil. And ‘practical’ may be the best available.
The last two world wars were all about the creation of israel in 1948…. The next will most likely be about itz enlargement to “greater israel” ….. Jewish immigration advocacy into YT racial nations at genocidal magnitudes ensures that the ‘sacrifice’ of YT ANZACS amongst other YT’s …….amounts to Nothing.
Horsecrap. Go find a leftist site that will be happy to publish your shit.
KG, unlike that poster, horsecrap is passingly useful. I put some on the garden once, smelled horrible for a while but the tomatoes that year were fabulous. That Trump/Syria business troubles me the more that I think about it. Trump may be the master of the deal but in international political areas he is a babe in the woods. He was duped by masters in this crooked arena. Now what, I wonder.
“Now what” indeed…
Short of outright war with Russia and China, he could hardly do any worse than the policies of the clown who helped create this mess.
Obama needs to be held responsible for a whole lot of stuff, but we all know that isn’t going to happen.
Yes KG but Trump is in the chair now. Not Obama. Who is in charge?
Beats me, Mara. It’s looking like a dog’s breakfast from some angles.
On the other hand, Trump has thrown down the gauntlet after being tested by the Russians.
The same thing happened to Reagan early on in his Administration.
…and as an added bonus his domestic opponents on the Left have been put on notice that Trump will act with force if they get uppidy with him.
The message being send by Trump & Company: AMERICA IS BACK!
And what says the much applauded Paul Joseph Watson about it.
https://youtu.be/EXuV64hp4dk
But I say it again damn little damage for so many millions.
The damage isn’t the point. The signal is the point.
UPDATE: somebody much smarter than Wabbit concurs:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/04/the-message-in-the-missiles-2.php
Those saying there was little damage are believing Russian propaganda being put out for Vlad to save face.There were few major structures at the base to show damage.The big black spot in the sat photo was the control tower,which was one of the few conventional buildings at the site.The rest were hardened hangers,ramp sheds really,that today have nice neat holes in the roofs and burned remains of fighter jets inside.That’s why earth and concrete reinforced structures can still be seen burning 6 plus hours after the attack.
Most of the BS is being spread by Russian state controlled media,which is only ever slightly better than western media.Hell even the Syrian military admits the base received extensive damage.
Whatever hope I have for relations improving between the US and Russia I remain mindful of one inescapable fact-That the Russian government was directly or indirectly responsible for the majority of civilian deaths in the 20th century world wide through their support of international communism full stop.
Communism was brought to the russians by the West. There is nothing good about communism. But this russia is not under communism anymore sadly the west is.
There is nothing nice or heroic about war but the West prevented it from being shorter by supporting the same people they fight in other countries (at least that is what they tell us). Bombing Assad is supporting ISIS is supporting the deep state. ALL of the ‘news’ being spread by the western media is BS.
But I suppose you don’t want more Churches being bombed like today in Egypt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/09/world/middleeast/explosion-egypt-coptic-christian-church.html?_r=0
So, in my humble opinion, it is better to stop to be the ISIS air support.
IF Russia is really interested in fighting Isis and IF they want our cooperation in doing so,then why orchestrate a chemical attack against civilians using weapons they supposedly destroyed?
It was nothing more than a test to see what they can get away with period.This is the same old Russia,doing the same things they have always done.
We are supposed to believe that somehow Russia is now supposedly fighting terror?I’ll believe that when they turn on Iran.
Ditto: Russia whether it is a republic, an empire, or a communist state will always be fearful of the West.
…and there is a certain wisdom from the Russian viewpoint based on bad experiences- In the 18th century Russia was invaded by Sweden; in the 19th century by France and even lost Moscow, the capital city to Napoleon; in the 20th century Russia was invaded twice by Germany, whose panzers got within 25 kilometers of Moscow in 1941 before they were stopped.
Today America is the big empire of the West with the world’s largest economy and battle tested military that has not known a day’s peace since 1941 – and Russia is afraid of the USA, because although the largest country in world in land mass has the economy of Greece, and a population half the size of the USA.. The Russians mask this fear of the West by appearing to be aggressive. It’s like in prison were a smaller inmate will attack a larger one because he fears an attack by the big guy.
Of course, the big guy may be a nice guy, but the little guy’s experience in life has taught him to fear bigger men and look aggressive at all time.
Therefore, Russia just plain doesn’t trust the West – oh, and by the way, the USA invaded Russia during WW I and seized control of the Trans Siberian railroad for about a year before we withdrew in 1919.
Sorry Darin. Stradivarius vs neocons? Trump loses. Don’t like saying so but there you are.
“I’ll believe that when they turn on Iran.”
Yeah, me too. In a lot of respects, it’s the same old same old proxy wars.
@KG: Correct, my friend!
Iran in many ways mirrors their big ally Russia. Both countries are slowly but surely dying with death rates that far exceeds births. In fact, there are scientists who predict that if something isn’t done to turn around the demographics, both countries will disappear in about 100 years.
Thus both countries have become very dangerous because to survive they must expand. Iran looks to do this by taking over Saudi Arabia and Gulf countries. Russia wants to expand into Europe – and now is the time to launch this final offensive, a desperate roll of the dice with all the chips bet on “snake eyes.”