“Justice” in feminised NZ:

Posted on May 1, 2017 by KG

‘Man guilty of beating his stepdaughter’s rapist ‘disgusted’ by verdict…
The jury of 11 women and one man delivered the verdict in the Wellington District Court this afternoon after a few hours of deliberation…’

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27 Responses to “Justice” in feminised NZ:

  1. Bill the Bunyip says:
    May 1, 2017 at 16:29

    In hindsight, he wished he had not made a statement to police after the assault. He said he was told he would not be charged, only warned for disorderly behaviour.

    That was his second mistake, talking to them without a lawyer present.
    The first was letting the creature live.

    • KG says:
      May 1, 2017 at 17:07

      G’day Bill, good to see you.
      Good comment, as usual. Knowing what I do about the police in this country (and a lot of ’em in Oz) there’s no way I’d be saying anything other than “speak to my lawyer”.

      • Darin says:
        May 1, 2017 at 17:51

        “The first was letting the creature live.”

        That was his first mistake alright,not applying rule 3S.

  2. Lara says:
    May 1, 2017 at 18:02

    Justice given as the justice system is so bloody soft. I thought juries were supposed to be equally divided with the same amount of male and female jurors…it used to be more males than females actually, but it was not that biased to one side. Hope the beating continues to cause intense pain.

  3. Michael in Nelson says:
    May 1, 2017 at 18:34

    NEVER say anything to the police after an incident! The common law right (AKA ‘the 5th’) of not incriminating yourself is the hardest for most people to exercise…we all want to explain ourselves. The problem is that the police are NOT there to help you.

  4. C-CS says:
    May 1, 2017 at 18:55

    thank you for the revelation on the fact that one does not have to talk to the police
    as to the rapist –I agree w/ you all–he does not deserve tot live…
    C-CS

  5. mawm says:
    May 1, 2017 at 18:58

    You’d think that these women jurors would be delighted that a man was out there getting rid of rapist filth, potentially protecting them and their daughters……..or maybe that old myth that women want to be raped is true. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_unsure.gif

  6. Warren Tooley says:
    May 1, 2017 at 22:34

    What we need is this sort of thing applied to our justice system, we need this for judges:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWJfn6iiAL0&t=88s

    Highlight of my day

  8. Yokel says:
    May 2, 2017 at 04:31

    So, can we see a trend yet? In the following post about The Rationing Society it is clearly established that “government” is not interested in the people but in control over the people. Similarly I posit that the Police are not here to protect the law abiding, or even to enforce the law, despite the straplines on their posters and vehicles. Instead the Police ensure that the government retains control over the law abiding. And what shows lack of control more than the victim’s father metes out a bit of rough justice after 2 days, whereas the police take 6 weeks to get around to finding him? He cannot be allowed to take any initiative that the government deliberately (?) fails to take.

  9. Warren Tooley says:
    May 2, 2017 at 04:44

    I have a slightly similiar yet different view. The government likes to fine you. The police like to fine people. That’s what keeps them going. No they aren’t interested in your well being, they are interested in fining people where they can. My neighbour had his bike stolen. No serial number, ah no we can’t.

    We don’t enforce civil law, we enforce criminal law. Criminal law is where they fine you.
    So it is a little different my view but the bottom line is the same. They don’t care about your wellbeing, its just another tax, and that’s it.

    • KG says:
      May 2, 2017 at 08:19

      I think both are right. The police have become merely the enforcement arm of government, which is a gross perversion of the original purpose of a uniformed police force.
      Note how they routinely speak of the public as “civilians”, despite the fact that they themselves are also are civilians.

      • Yokel says:
        May 3, 2017 at 07:59

        In England too they refer to the public as “civilians”. Anyone who paid attention to the history of policing in the Anglosphere will know that Peel had a hell of a job introducing the idea of a police constabulary into England as a (then) modernisation of the Parish Constable system in towns and cities that were by then far too big for the old system. The public opposition was because they had seen how governments in Europe (under the Napoleonic law systems) had been using police forces to force their will on an unwilling populace and the English weren’t going to have any of that thank you very much. Thus Peel had to draw up his Principles of Policing that are ignored and disparaged in England today. The English police are now much closer to the Napoleonic police than any would wish to acknowledge (for our own good of course!).

        • Warren Tooley says:
          May 3, 2017 at 18:48

          Actually, that sounds right. In my English Oxford law dictionary, it says that Common Law in its pure form used to exist. Under the term Equity, it says that Civil law was introduced to do what common law couldn’t. Civil law was an extension of law.

          It says that when the judicature Act was passed, common law in its pure form was finished, some of its principles were kept and mixed in with Civil law and other forms of law.

          And it wasn’t just Civil law, it was other forms of law like to make a point simple commercial law.

          So to summarise, common law in its pure form was overtaken by Civil law and other forms of law.

  10. Phil Stephenson says:
    May 2, 2017 at 15:19

    Having read all this, I would like to share a brief anecdote about policing. During my time as a police officer I was a stationed for a few years in a small town called Coonamble, in western New South Wales, and there was a little twerp of a guy who was always bashing his girlfriend up. In fact, the town had a chronic problem with domestic violence. Both were aboriginal, and I must have arrested him myself at least half a dozen times for assaulting her, (on at least one occasion he broke her nose), but all I could do was put him before the courts and let the court determine the penalty. I don’t think he ever did any gaol time for them, and then there is the issue of why the stupid girl went back to him all the time, but that was her choice. Anyway, after I left the town on transfer, the guy took up with another girl, and of course it was the same old story, assaults and beltings and numerous arrests. Unlike the first girl, the new girlfriend had a father who was still around. I was talking to one of my old workmates in the town a year or so later, and he told me that he had recently been called to the girl’s flat, over yet another assault from this flea-bitten degenerate, and as he arrived in the police car, the girl’s father turned up as well, and he was ready to beat the shit out of him. He said to the cops, “Just give me five minutes with him, that’s all I want, and you can have him,” but the cops said they could not allow that. However, the officer told me he said to the father, “But the thing is we don’t know which flat they’re in, but you do, and we’ve got to park the car, put the handbrake on, call our location on the radio, get our gear together and walk around looking for the right flat. Anything could happen in that time.” He told me that he and his partner deliberately took their time parking the police car etc, and then went around to the girl’s flat and arrested the guy, who was covered in his own blood and more than happy to be rescued from the girl’s father. No action was taken against the father as far as I’m aware, and I don’t know if the shithead was cured of his desire to beat women up, but sometimes real justice does happen in these situations. Maybe not often enough, but it does happen.

    • KG says:
      May 2, 2017 at 16:44

      http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif I do love justice! It’s rare enough, God knows. Time was when that kind of thing happened more often – but then, time was the ranks weren’t filled with snitches who’d happily dob in a fellow officer.
      As a yoof in S.A. I had my share of thick ears, but they were all deserved and I never thought less of the cop who administered it.

      • Warren Tooley says:
        May 4, 2017 at 13:00

        A couple of bible verses: Proverbs 28:5: Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD understand it completely. RSV

        Modern translations have replaced ‘it completely’ with ‘all things’.

        Micah 6:8: He has showed you, oh man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God. RSV

        Thought you might like those verses.

    • Warren Tooley says:
      May 2, 2017 at 16:46

      That’s another can of worms all together. In my version of the treaty of waitangi, the one in Butterworth’s law dictionary it refers to Maori as Aboriginal’s. The Maori and Aboriginal’s are under a different system of law, or so it seems.

    • Gregoryno6 says:
      May 3, 2017 at 10:02

      Great story. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif