There was quite a nasty accident here today and, as usual, nobody could get hold of one of the local cops. They were out on the highway, raising revenue. Sitting out on the veranda just now we saw a guy pull out of the roadhouse, perfectly legally, and the cop–who was lurking 100 metres down the road–instantly put on his lights and pulled the car over. He couldn’t have spotted an out of date rego sticker or anything else at that range. It was almost certainly a speculative “pull”. What’s the difference between that, and the classic Gestapo “where are you papers”?
Bastards.
The cops are what we ( used to call in the old days “The Stasi” ) .They are beholden to polititians and NOT the citizen.To serve and to proprect only means the elite.Now we are unprotected ( us in weapons ) what the fuck can we do?
At least in the U.S of A they have the second amendment , we have fuck all.
War is coming and we can’t do a god damn thing about it……….
D.T
You have to remember that the police are a paramilitary organization under a strict chain of command like soldiers. The officer in question COULD have been ordered by the desk sergeant to stop cars coming out of this establishment.
On the other hand, the cop could be a psychopath using his uniform to conduct criminal activity, or hide a power trip.
Senior Secret Service Agent John F. McKenna who arrested me in 1994 and gave false testimony in court (among many other criminal acts) is a classic example of a psychopathic police officer, who hides behind the badge and sanction of law.
So nIn my life since my illegal arrest and conviction for alleged unauthorized Pest Control, I could write several books on police interaction with kindly old Ronbo.
One such negative example would be a certain Montana member of the U.S. Secret Service (SS) who lied to the honest cops of Missoula about the “armed and dangerous” PERSON OF INTEREST in order to have the SWAT team back up a cowardly and psychopath federal agent when he knocked on my motel room door at 3 a.m. on a personal mission of harassment (This was after they woke up everyone in motel and herded them out on a cold winter night to the street)
Needless to say, I was not a happy camper and refused Agent Tad Downs’ request to search my room, since he had no warrant.
My memorandum to him:
A MEMO TO SS AGENT DOWN
http://thesecretservicejournal.blogspot.com/2011/01/memo-to-ss-agent-downs.html
However, to be fair, I must report the positive interaction with American law enforcement here:
“Well Done Trooper Howard of The Florida Highway Patrol!”
http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2009/01/well-done-trooper-howard-of-florida.html
It’s called a “Fishing trip”,they pull someone over for some minor reason,could be a broken light,low tire, etc,which gives them a reason to run a persons name and tag number.
While they are busy doing that they look at the dashboard,floorboard,seat and glove box to see if any pill bottles or beer cans are present and if there are then the fun begins.It’s not right and it happens all the time.
They used to harass me from time to time.I would sit in my truck at lunch time across the street from the shop and eat lunch.About four times in the space of a month a cop would pull in behind me,walk up to my window and ask if my name was Dan Wilkins to which of course I would say no and that would be it.I guess they figured I was drinking or smoking pot and thought they would catch me.
The fifth time they did that my answer was “for the last f–king time my name is not Dan Wilkins,if any of you ask me that one more time I will file charges”
Never heard from them since.
Rule Number One: Never, NEVER let a policeman search your person, or property if you can avoid it. The police in this country, for instance, are quickly sinking to the level of Mexican cops and have been known to plant illegal drugs in order to make arrests.
In the USA when a cop pulls you over for a traffic violation, he does not have the right to search your car without your permission. And in many states that means WRITTEN permission by way of your signature pre-printed form.
If you refuse, the cop has to run quick and find a judge to issue a warrant, and this takes too much time and trouble for the average traffic fuzz, who in my vast experience of traffic stops, will hand you back your driver’s license and wish you a good day.
That’s all true Ron,but if they see it through a window then they have probable cause and the situation changes.
I feel sorry for the cops on the ground. Most that I have come across have been decent, if not the brightest, guys just trying to do their job. Unfortunately it’s the Brass who have to meet budgets and raise revenue who make the force into a warrant-checking, speed-trapping tool.
True–up to a point. But I’ve met plenty of little nazis who should never have been given a badge and a gun. Young guys, mostly, who’ve gone straight from school and into the police.
Just like the ‘clipboard’ brigade that parade around our institution. Some people should never ever be given any form of authority.
Apparently you are not allowed to call them shit-head wankers.
@KG:
Right you are – and the reason for this is due to the fact that policeman is one of the top ten profession for psychopaths, just below professional criminal.
Of course, the highest are lawyers and politicians, but well knew that from experience.
“Apparently you are not allowed to call them shit-head wankers.”
“The truth shall set you free” has a corollary–speaking it shall also get you in deep crap.
The most irritating aspect of the police thing for me is the fact that people have grown used to the reality that police can pull them over without reasonable cause when they’re simply going about their lawful business. If anybody else did that it’s a criminal offence. Police now routinely refer to citizens as “civilians”.
We, as a people, have grown used to being harried and persecuted and bossed around by petty fucking tyrants.
The thin Blue Line in action
http://youtu.be/6RBzz_b_7yI
“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”
Robert A. Heinlein
Rule 1:
All discretionary voluntary contact with Mr Plod should be minimal, and only after deep thought. The preferred option is total avoidance.
Rule 2:
In the case of a Mr Plod engaging on a speculative, fishing expedition [e.g. road side stop]. Become a Little Grey Man. Harmless. Forgettable.
Rule 3:
You heard nothing. Saw nothing. Remember nothing.
Rule 4:
No comment at this time. Happy to co-operate and answer your questions with my lawyer present.
Damn right.
Did I tell you my first college degree was an Associate of Science in law enforcement?
This was back in my Army days on my first tour of Germany (1971 -73) at Augsburg when those of us looking for promotion to officer country did night school as a way puffing up our military resume.
Of course, we were looking for an EASY degree and the word got back to the unit the Law Enforcement degree at Central Texas College Europe Campus (on our base) was the easiest that could be blized by most Military Intelligence troops in about six week orientation, because they gave credit for life experience like boot camp, NCO school, weapons training and so forth.
Well, I got the degree in the time frame as advertised after paying about 1,000 bucks for tuition and paperwork, but I didn’t get the promotion.
About a year later I was called to Personnel and told my secondary MOS had been changed from 11B infantryman to 95B military policeman on the basis of my L.E.A.S. degree.
Kinda of like putting the cat into the canary cage, heh?
RULE NUMBER ONE: (I have MANY rule #1s
) In dealing with law enforcement – YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT!
If you say ANYTHING to the cop, IT CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW!
When I’m stopped by various branches L.E. for any reason, I remain calm, cool and collected and identify myself. I will produce I.D. if asked. After that point I play it by ear, sometimes I even have a careful conversation with the officer.
BTW, I should warn you the SILENCE and minimum cooperation with police will not necessarily win you the day in court, if the authorities above the police are determined to convict you in court by any foul means.
At my federal trial in 1994, for example, two members of the U.S. Secret Service (SS) gave perjury about things I allegedly said during my arrest in 1994 (not the part where I refused to talk and asked for a lawyer) that the court saw as a tantamount confession of guilt.