NZ Herald serves up secondhand bullshit. Again.

Posted on March 28, 2015 by KG

Global warming? Forget cold hard facts
I can’t be bothered pulling this propagandist tripe apart.

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27 Responses to NZ Herald serves up secondhand bullshit. Again.

  1. Pascal says:
    March 28, 2015 at 12:04

    I know how you feel. The big lie is relentless, doomsaying, and ubiquitous while our blogs are resignedly responsive, rational and, unfortunately, limited in our ability to be heard.

    And did you notice? This and your last post are both about fascism.

    • KG says:
      March 28, 2015 at 12:20

      I did indeed notice, Pascal. Fascism isn’t merely a future possibility – it’s arrived.

  2. Darin says:
    March 28, 2015 at 13:21

    It’s March 27th here and it’s going to be 40f tomorrow morning just 30 miles from the Gulf of Mexico.

    • KG says:
      March 28, 2015 at 17:21

      Lucky bastard. :cry: I’d love to be 30 miles from the Gulf of Mexico.

      • Darin says:
        March 29, 2015 at 02:42

        Except during Hurricane season :mrgreen:

        It pains me that even living this close I never get to go fishing anymore :cry:

  3. caleb says:
    March 28, 2015 at 14:24

    They failed to fully misrepresent his statements and their rebuttal is weak.
    Only the Alarmists will read that without question.

  4. Warren Tooley says:
    March 28, 2015 at 14:38

    The part that makes no sense whatsoever is that its the Greens who want Working for families to go to more than 6 children :shock: . This means, every child you have the government will give you money to support. Its 6 at the moment, and its the Greens who cried out not enough, not enough, its discrimination to the 7th, 8th and 9th child :oops: .

    Why this just doesn’t make any sense, is those who are climate advocates do agree that if Climate Change is real, then the size of the population has the most effect. And they do agree, that if it is real, then population increase is the most important factorhttp://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cry.gif. And the Greens own website says the earth is overpopulated by 30% and New Zealand is partly responsible.

    I’m not saying that I agree with climate change, what I’m saying is that they aren’t being logical or consistent. I have no children so its easy for me to bring up this arguement. Another part that makes no sense is that America used to have three taxes, imports on goods, domestic made goods and property. According to Ravi Batra, when they implemented the income tax, the lower the income tax, the higher the tax on imports. The higher the income tax, the lower the tax on imports. In the 70s when Al Gore’s statistics stated that global warming was taking off, America had a consistent high income tax and low import tax. And that’s when imports started to grow, and so called global warming heated up, by the airfreigh effects of imports. So why aren’t they telling us what life was like before the 70s.http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_whistle3.gif

    I’m not saying we should raise taxes on tariffs, but what I’m saying is, they aren’t telling us something are they. But as far as Ravi Batra was concerned, if the tariff tax was at its historical normal before the income tax, that in itself would solve global warminghttp://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif. Interestingly I can’t find that book in the library, not these days. I wonder why that is. And then their’s intertrade. They take a thread, send it to Brazil, Brazil adds a thread sends it off to China, China adds a thread and so on till you have shoelaces. And intertrade is responsible for 15% of made made pollution. Why aren’t they saying this?http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_wacko.gif

    • Darin says:
      March 29, 2015 at 02:58

      It’s the law of unintended consequences in full effect.The environmental movement started in this country among the same group that started the free love movement and anti-war movement. Corporations and manufacturers who were contracted to manufacture war material were among the first to be hit with new environmental regs.The waste they were told to dump and stockpile on site was all of the sudden their sole responsibility and the enviro-left went after them with both barrels.The most famous case was Love canal,that whole area and watershed was deemed a federal emergency site and nearly every industry in the area shuttered.It was no coincidence that nearly all of them were defense contractors.

  5. Warren Tooley says:
    March 28, 2015 at 14:46

    Oh I forgot, next thing you know, it’ll probably be a crime to own that particular book.

  6. Darin says:
    March 28, 2015 at 15:05

    Climate change will turn women into prostitutes-

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/26/congresswoman-claims-climate-change-will-turn-women-into-prostitutes/

    You just can’t make this stuff up folkshttp://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_sad.gif

    • KG says:
      March 28, 2015 at 17:26

      http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_wacko.gif
      Me and Gecko just bet it would be a black congresswoman. And guess what……….. :cool:

    • Warren Tooley says:
      March 28, 2015 at 18:55

      Actually Darin, that has already happened. In the book Matrix as it is (referring to the elite): page 157 says: “Once great manufacturing cities such as Camden, New Jersey, have become crime-ridden, gang-infested hellholes.” In page 159 it also states about Camden: “Gangs have stepped into the gaping void left by industry in Cambed today, drugs and prostitution are two of the only viable businesses left”. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cry.gif

      So there you have it, they once had a manufacturing base, their industry has been destroyed and that’s what you have left. So its already happening, and it will only get worse, if someone doesn’t stop ithttp://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cry.gif.

      • Darin says:
        March 29, 2015 at 03:17

        Yes,but it wasn’t global warming or climate change that brought the shift.It was the constant forward march of lib-prog ideology.

        The trail can be followed in New Orleans,the big city with which I am most familiar.The first non-white mayor to be elected in the 20th century was Dutch Morial.The first thing he did once in office was double the number of bureaucrats most of which were minority appointees and favoritism hires.Then the following year the city suddenly need more money to make payroll and pay for all manner of “civic projects”read parks and housing projects.
        Now he couldn’t raise taxes,he would lose office if he did that,so he did what every democrat leftists mayor always does,he raised taxes and utility fees on business and industry because they don’t get a vote.He raised the price of natural gas by four fold which ran off the foundries and heat treating companies.He raised electricity rates which ran off the machine shops and the rest of manufacturing.He raised commercial real estate taxes which caused many small business some of which had been in business over 100 years to close their doors.
        Of course the outcome was a collapse of the tax base which began the downward spiral of the a once great city on the Mississippi.
        Most of the down side happened after he was out of office and while he was in he put his name on every public building and ever manhole cover in the city and so today everybody remembers him as a supposed “great mayor” even though he was the instrument of their own destruction.Today New Orleans is like every other major urban area in the US.Every problem they have can be traced to a point in time when they elected a lib-dem mostly black council and mayor.They have done the same ever since and no matter how bad it gets they will not consider doing any different.

        • Wombat says:
          March 29, 2015 at 12:30

          Then we get the hillarity of reverse slavery where the white minority is expected to stay and maintain the livability of the black majority city, and if they refuse they’re branded as racists. :roll:

  7. KG says:
    March 28, 2015 at 17:38

    And more propaganda (on behalf of Google) from the Herald:
    ‘Don’t be afraid of the big, bad Google’
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11424203

  9. Wombat says:
    March 28, 2015 at 21:37

    I’ve said it before.

    The progressives are correct in as much as they assert that”the debate is over”. True, it a lecture and a declaration of war rather than a debate, but it’s over in any case. They are now simply preaching to the choir in order to solidify their control over them.

    For the rest of us it’s become a matter of when and how we resist their global collectivist efforts.

    • Warren Tooley says:
      March 28, 2015 at 21:50

      So Wombat, my friend, how many people believe in Climate Change, versus how many people don’t believe in it, versus how many have no idea what to think. I’m thinking proportionately. My dad didn’t know what to think, cause he had so many friends who are staunch supporters, and others who are staunch deniers.

      So he asked what I thought and I explained that if it really truly is a problem, then they aren’t fixing the problem. Paying an environmental tax to grow trees, and that money going overseas, it just doesn’t make sense. So I present it that way so that those who think we have a problem, think about it. And those who are deniers usually don’t get that angry with me. So I call myself a climate skeptic. Anyhow, how many are deniers and how many are advocates as far as you know. Who’s winning, who’s scoring the most goals?

      • Wombat says:
        March 28, 2015 at 22:49

        The root of the issue is the same as the root of most issues these days. Collectivism versus libertarianism.

        On the fence you have “sitters” (deliberately undecided because they don’t give a crap and they’re happy on the fence) and “standers” (they want to pick a side but feel they don’t have enough information).

        The former is common and they’re pointless to try and win over, because they’re happy on the fence. They’ll smile and nod because they like the attention but they’re not going to get into your corner and fight the good fight.

        Of the latter, they are extremely rare. A percentage of a percentage. Most people make their mind up instantly about an issue based on their previous prejudices. Authoritarians will default to climate alarm-ism. Libertarians will default to climate denial.

        I have more wins against climate alarm-ism preaching libertarianism than I do preaching science. Further to that, libertarianism tackles every other issue in the book.

        So no, I don’t bother entering the poo-flinging contest of arguing climate science, because no matter how good a poo-flinger you are, it’s a stinky arena filled with stinky people and you’re going to end up with crap on your hands at very best.

        Think about it this way.
        Two comments are read on a climate-alarm newspiece.
        Comments one: Actually, the (whatever) report debunked this by proving that blah blah blah…
        Comment two: Let me guess. Us plebs get taxed and regulated to the level of stone age primitives while the enlightened ruling caste keeps an eye on our climate progress from their ivory towers?

        Which do you think will resonate with the average reader?

        • Warren Tooley says:
          March 29, 2015 at 11:20

          I think comment 2. Even I believe, that the earth is wearing out. But I’m not so much of a fool, to think that paying a tax that doesn’t fix the problem.

  10. Francis W. Porretto says:
    March 28, 2015 at 22:21

    I have yet to receive a refutation to even one of the points I made here. Actually, I have yet to hear even the beginning to a plausible counter-argument. But of course I must be a “denier,” for insisting that the rules of evidence, inference, and empirical science be followed.

  11. Warren Tooley says:
    March 28, 2015 at 22:41

    Actually Francis, I think we’re on the same boat. A skeptic is someone who doesn’t simply say this is nonsense. They are someone who says if it is true, then why?, How do you explain. A denier is someone who just flat out denies. A skeptic, denies with style, they use facts to back up their skepticism in climate change.

  12. Ronbo says:
    March 29, 2015 at 00:00

    Fire and Ice

    By Robert Frost

    Some say the world will end in fire,

    Some say in ice.

    From what I’ve tasted of desire

    I hold with those who favor fire.

    But if it had to perish twice,

    I think I know enough of hate

    To say that for destruction ice

    Is also great

    And would suffice.