Read it, and weep for justice.
This, from the admirable Mr. Porretto:
‘..For when the law, by its very luxuriance, cannot be known in its entirety by any person – when regulatory bodies that legislative oversight, much less Constitutional authority, are permitted to pass regulations with the force of law of which no private citizen is informed – the law has gone through a great and unacceptable transformation: it has become the private, secret property of the State…’
Idiots like this are in many respects as dangerous as ISIS. (I wager she thinks she could present Top Gear too.)
With the second conviction of Lundy today it seems the NZ judicial system isn’t as decrepit as may have been feared in recent times. Well done to the Jury!
I definitely do not agree regarding the Lundy verdict. Firstly, there’s the probability that a lot of the forensic evidence flew right over the jury’s heads and second, my feeling is that after so many judicial fuck-ups this was something of a face-saving exercise.
I just don’t trust the system.
So…if you don’t agree with the verdict, then a remorseless child killer MAY have walked out of the court serrendipitously? Lundy appealed his conviction so this was hardly a “face saving exercise” on the part of the Crown. The Crown didn’t instigate the second trial. Given you do not know who was on the Jury it is less than flattering to them to claim the forensic evidence may have been over their heads. This is a good result for the system and for what we have left of a civilized society.
“..a remorseless child killer MAY have walked out of the court ..”
I would prefer that to a system which can be (and repeatedly has been) bent in order to secure a conviction at any cost.
“Given you do not know who was on the Jury it is less than flattering to them to claim the forensic evidence may have been over their heads.”
I meet people very often who demonstrate an almost total lack of knowledge of the “hard” sciences. Such people form a very large part of the population, so my assumption is not unreasonable.
A jury found Arthur Allen Thomas guilty, too.
But you’re being judged by your “peers” don’tchaknow?
I read an article some time ago about how modern juries were dropping the rate of prosecution because they demanded extreme and damning levels of forensic evidence.
Why?
Because they’ve all been weaned on LawAndOrder/CSI/NCIS etc.
It follows that unless you can present them with a dramatic recitation of damning guilt based around entertaining scientific shamanism then the defendant is clearly not guilty.
A jury correctly found Arthur Thomas guilty based on the evidence alluded to at the trial. Arthur Thomas was correctly (ultimately) pardoned due to the gross misbehaviour of the police not due to any hint of his innocence. The judicial process at his trials was impeccable. The police conduct was worse than sinister. Here rests the difference in perceptions. I say he is/was guilty of double murder but was set-up by the police due to their lustful desire to obtain a conviction at any cost. The police conduct warrants his pardon but not any shortcoming in the judicial process.
Add:In my opinion and those with whom it has been oft discussed.
Absolutely agree re: Thomas. He wasn’t pardoned because he didn’t do it, he was pardoned because the police were so concerned to secure a conviction, they cooked the evidence.
Which is yet one more reason I don’t trust the system.
Yes but you need to dissect the system between policing and judicial determination.
We could argue this until the cows come home, because neither of us knows the truth, Cad.
But the bottom line for me is I no longer trust the justice system.
It lost some of its “appeal” ( a worthy pun ) when witch burning went out of vogue. I am advised that one of the jurors is well acquainted with the hard sciences and touts around a PhD to prove it. Having said that the others may be habitual visitors to other blogs with unspeakable names?
“But the bottom line for me is I no longer trust the justice system.”
Yup,especially since the “justice” system now is overridden by the media and race pundits.Just ask officer Wilson and all the property owners burned out in Fergeson.
A mate’s wife is from Denmark. Her dad was a station master and had, I’m told, a shot gun at the start of WW2. The guns were registered with the local police as required and the Germans promptly rounded up Denmark’s guns up after the invasion by using official records. There may be a lesson in that.
Here’s a thing.
The average copper is so gun-illiterate that if I dummied up some old pipes and and a few wooden stocks to look like rifles, then stamped the brands and serial numbers on them to match my realguns and painted the “barreled recievers” flat black, then I’d be virtually immune to spot checks and surprise confiscations, regardless of where the real guns were actually kept.
The dummies might not fool the sergeant back at the station but by the time they got there I’d have gone bush with my proper guns.
I read that comment by Senator Mary Carlson and weep for the level of education and indoctrination in “elected” officials. Really, if she is chosen by the electorate to represent them then they deserve what is coming.
Well, they certainly do. But other people who did’nt vote for the idiot but will nonetheless be affected don’t deserve it.
That is democracy – the base always exceeds the apex.
A country/state is a bit like a hotel. You pay your money (tax) and you expect a certain level of service and standards. If you find that they are not what you want then you change hotels. You vote with your feet just as Californian businesses have been doing by moving to Texas.
Except that in politics, voting with one’s feet is utterly pointless, Mawm.
The next hotel will mirror the first.
Any idea why this freedom-hating moron did before becoming an elected politician? My first thought was a “social worker” no, not an ant as ants have a work ethic. My second thought was a schoolteacher. I have no real idea other than I would bet my jockstrap she’s never been self-employed or has had anything to do with that increasingly foreign idea; enterprise!
Interestingly, an Ixquick search turns up nothing on this woman.
THAT says it all!