to some of the comments on the ‘The Quest for the Soul of Europe’ post below:
Simon Wolfe says:
July 10, 2015 at 05:29
Hello All,
There have been many projects and missions which have been and are greater than the men undertaking it: the Apollo missions, a cure for cancer, even Western civilisation itself is greater than all of us. Our project of course is more aggressive but that is more a function of the problem which we seek to solve. I can understand the parallels drawn with 20th century fascism but we’re not interested in a mass movement sweeping across continents. I spent 8 years in the Army and then another 8 years in Afghanistan as a contractor. I’ve seen the tribal dysfunction downrange first hand and I don’t want to come home to find it in Europe. We’d like to avoid large scale conflict but both the left and mainstream conservatives seem determined to bring it about for their own ends. A little traditionalist nation for ourselves? Yes, maybe one day, but at first we start small and local.
I believe in doing everything we can in as non-confrontational way as possible. I believe in like-minded communities practising self-sufficiency and being kind to the environment – but not in the hippy/green taxes way. I believe in bottom-up localised resistance. I believe in not contributing to the system as much as possible. I believe that small rural communities should be pro-active and form their own churches, schools, police forces etc… independent of the state as much as possible without drawing too much anger from central government.
However as we have repeatedly seen, it will not be enough. The left will never leave us alone. They will never let us secede. They hate us, but they won’t let us leave. For them, our only option is to convert to their way of thinking, or to be destroyed through the banks, courts and prison system if we do not submit to their ideology. In this respect, they’re very much like radical Islam, with its convert or die philosophy. Conservatives and libertarians often think that they can placate the left with a ‘live and let live’ approach. That if we give them just this one little thing, this one time, they’ll leave us alone. That if we just move to the country and get on with our own little lives in our own little communities they won’t come after us. But remember, leftists are people who murder unborn children merely because they are an inconvenience. Conservatives and libertarians are also things which are inconvenient to the left. They are never going to stop killing babies and they will never leave us alone.
I come from a libertarian background. But gradually I’ve seen libertarianism hi-jacked by the left, just as mainstream conservatism has drifted leftward and come to adopt policies such as gay marriage they would have opposed even just ten years ago. I could be described as post-Libertarian. Modern libertarianism gives ground and adopts leftist ideas – I’ve seen Christian libertarian friends in America adopt the idea that libertarianism is for gay married couples who want to grow weed in their back yard. That’s not the libertarianism that I believe in and it’s not the sort of community I want to bring my kids up in. Live and let live many say, but look where that has got us so far. Give in to that, and what will be the next demand?
A few days ago I read about a second high school in Germany which instructed the young female students to dress in a manner respectful of Sharia law in order to avoid offending Muslims. Conservatives get outraged at this sort of thing, and we talk about how its an infringement of civil liberties and such. And of course, we shouldn’t be pandering to the whims of foreign cultures in our own countries and we should be able to dress as we please. But you know what the truly sad part of the story is? It’s that it’s taken the presence of radical Muslims in Europe to stop us dressing our teenage girls like whores. Why could we not have done this ourselves?
There can be such a thing as too much freedom. Where everybody has the freedom to do whatever they want, chaos and disorder reign and although we are free, we become no better than slaves. Unrestrained liberty begets the breakdown of marriage, broken homes and an epidemic of children raised by single mothers, vulgar gay pride parades and unnatural sex education in our schools. Liberty is a high ideal, but not in isolation. What point is there in being free, if your society is dissolving around you? It’s not authoritarian to think that our young women shouldn’t be going to school in miniskirts, or that marriage is one man and one woman, or that a child should have a mother and a father. This is traditionalism, we just think the same ways that our grandparents did. The problem is, to return to traditional values from our current place in the modern world is very difficult and it may take a bit of effort and strength.
I like liberty, but I like order too. I also want the faiths and traditions of my people to continue into the future. Conservatives and the liberty-minded often find themselves wedded to constitutional ideas which only serve to keep them from taking real corrective action against the left. They find themselves hamstrung by a constitution which the left ignores or reinterprets as it sees fit. It may be time for small independent communities to draw up their own consitutions. We often make the mistake of thinking that because we’re good people and we know how to behave properly that everybody else will too. But not everybody is like us. Not all cultures are equal.
An independent libertarian micro-nation will not exist in isolation. It still has to contend with the modern world and the machinations of the left. But to keep out that leftist influence is a grand mission. The left has been working away at breaking down religion, marriage, the family, traditional sex roles – the fabric of society – and it has been doing this for decades, centuries. To halt this tide, reverse it, and make sure there is some part of our civilisation which will survive the decline is an enormous task. It is this which is the great mission that we involve ourselves in. And there has to be some militancy and some authority and strength behind any sort of attempt to separate from the modern left, because otherwise they will never stop coming after you.
Their plan is to have a huge cattle/slave population which serves the tiny elite of oligarchs. They’re not going to call a halt to their masterplan just because we move to the country and homeschool our kids. Eventually some of us need to draw a line in the sand and put a stop to it and defend our communities.
The central issue with the bad rap libertarianism has gotten is that the progressive welfare state has separated rights and responsibilities, the core two being that you sleep in the bed you were free to make for yourself.
Teen sluttery and abortion would be a non-issue if the government wasn’t there to fund illegitimate children or endless fetal terminations.
Similarly, endless activism from career troublemakers would also be a non-issue if the government didn’t bankroll joblessness and university progressivism.
There is nothing wrong with libertarianism when people are not insulated from the consequences of their shitty choices.
“There is nothing wrong with libertarianism when people are not insulated from the consequences of their shitty choices.”
True ’nuff. But the Libertarian view on open borders is just plain suicidal.
Libertarians and conservatives needn’t clash horns over matters that are entirely philosophical at this point.
Both can unite and march against tyranny. They can argue the details after the tyrants are dead. They can even debate the details while the tyrants are being rousted from their dens. But to fight each other? That is surely a victory for the tyrants.
Well, the push for open borders is far from a merely philosophical point right now. It’s real and it’s gaining ground.
I would add that libertarianism is not a system of governance or a lack thereof. It’s a principle.
Remember the old schtick about the German democracy and the English democracy? In the English democracy you may do whatever is not expressly forbidden. In the German democracy you may do whatever is expressly permitted.
When a law is proposed in a collectivist state the state demands of the individual “demonstrate what pressing need you have to retain this freedom”.
When a law is proposed in a libertarian state, the individual demands “demonstrate what pressing need you have to remove this freedom.”
This is not to say that laws cannot exist. Men are typically more than willing to concede their liberties where the public good is at stake, particularly as and where the public are grateful for this concession.
Today, however, our would-be masters tell us “we will not justify our law, we are not interested in your opinion, you will concede your liberty, and yes, we will still call you an asshole anyway.”
Libertarianism is the acid test for good law.
“Libertarianism is the acid test for good law.”
It’s the best test I know.
Who can address the matter more eloquently?
Whilst men are linked together, they easily and speedily communicate the alarm of any evil design. They are enabled to fathom it with common counsel, and to oppose it with united strength. Whereas, when they lie dispersed, without concert, order, or discipline, communication is uncertain, counsel difficult, and resistance impracticable. Where men are not acquainted with each other’s principles, nor experienced in each other’s talents, nor at all practised in their mutual habitudes and dispositions by joint efforts in business; no personal confidence, no friendship, no common interest, subsisting among them; it is evidently impossible that they can act a public part with uniformity, perseverance, or efficacy. In a connection, the most inconsiderable man, by adding to the weight of the whole, has his value, and his use; out of it, the greatest talents are wholly unserviceable to the public. No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.
–Edmund Burke, Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents
Absolutely!
( I wonder how many people have read anything by Burke?)
Re. “Who can address the matter more eloquently?”
Well, Wombat, in the modern vernacular perhaps Guillaume Fay.
A short article on this proposition will be on the way to Wabbit by this afternoon (UK time).
Why The Legion (a letter to would be Legionnaires)
I only want a simple uncomplicated life… a little farm near the sea… some sheep… a few dogs… a fine family… that’s all really… I do not ask for much from the world… let me keep what I worked hard for and don’t force me to pay for things I neither want, need or believe in – even better. Don’t take away my beliefs – don’t criminalize me or label me an extremist or a terrorist for not wanting to give up my beliefs and my lifestyle and don’t force me to accept a perverted ideal… and we’ll get along great…
I am not a soldier. I am not a militant and I don’t want to go to war… I do not want to hurt anyone and I would rather not ever have to kill another man… but I am running out of places to hide away from the world to be simply just left alone and live my life on my terms… with my beliefs and my faith. I came to the realization a while back that the world wont just leave me alone and allow me to live as I chose to live without compromising the morals and values I have chosen to anchor my life with… and I am tired of running… I am tired of giving… I am tired of compromising to a minority group… I am tired and I am getting angry… I am a peaceful man… I can be a very gentle and kind man… but… my country has gone too far… the world has gone too far… and if I am to be the man I aspire to be… I must draw a line here and say – no more will I give away… no more of this filth can I take… no more will I compromise… this is my choice and I will stand by it…
I do not hide the fact that my past is colored by questionable activities… that was my past and I own it… I take responsibility for it and make no excuses for it… it happened… my journey here has been long and not always an easy one… and sometimes I have had to do things to eat and shelter myself that were dishonorable… I wish things could have been different but desperate men do desperate things… I have never asked for a hand out and I do not want one… I do not want to be taken care of and I do not want welfare… I want work… opportunities to make an honest living and keep what I have earned. I have admitted and will do so again – I have never been part of the solution to the problems of the world… and have no fear admitting that I have been a very big part of those problems… the biggest fault being not caring enough to do something… and this is the problem amongst many would be good men – they just don’t care enough and they are afraid… afraid of losing what they have… afraid of not being able to have the things they think they need… afraid of what the rest will say and think of them for not going along with the rest of the crowd… that was, I think until men like Simon, Head of our Legion, began writing for the common man, the disillusioned man, the jaded man… and we started talking and spreading our thoughts and ideas that now those that were afraid to speak up are coming to see that they are not alone… there is a brotherhood of men gathering that are willing to push back… to fight for what is ours – for the world we were robbed of and the chances that were taken from us… a better life that we all could have had today… we are not drafting men to our cause – they are coming together of their own free will… we are not forcing our beliefs on anyone – we have simply decided to keep what’s ours by force and to protect and stand at the side of those willing to help us to protect it.
I am not a NAZI like those who want to take away my beliefs. I am not a fascist like those that want to force their perversions on me. I am not an extremist because I want to live a simple uncomplicated life… and neither are the rest of the men joining our cause. All the men I have spoken to feel the same as I do and are all pretty much as the men Simon has described that he has spoken to… we want the simple things… to live our life on our terms with the morals and values we have chosen to anchor our lives by… to preserve the traditions of our faith and our cultures… to have a family and to create and build something better… the thunder you hear is the sound of men gathering… it is the sound of civilization crumbling… it is the sound of us tearing it down… and building it back up… it is the sound of our Legion.
Victor Vogt
Welcome, Victor.
Don’t worry Victor, the Titanic Deckchair Relocation Committee is meeting as we speak. All will be well in the World.
Yes, KG, I did so as well. Perhaps my promised contribution may help her. It will be winging its way to you in the next couple of hour. At last
KG, snort!!
As this guy Simon Wolfe defends his Iron Legion he offers a place for men that …want a mission. They want to be part of something which has a great purpose …
He has in mind The Greatest Generation going out there and Saving Private Ryan. All blue skies and don’t sit under the apple tree. That mobilization was a confluence of events and circumstances and timing that gathered such men in our country and offered them a mission: to keep the world safe for democracy. Unfortunately that confluence cannot be replicated in this country at this time. Too many splinter groups and special interest factions and too much disdain for values like patriotism.
What I see is the possibility of a Third Reich, or maybe that would be Fourth, one that’s going to last a thousand years or so. That condition would stand a better chance of success after doing a little house-cleaning here at home. Hitler’s movement got rid of any dissenters and strongly urged the indecisive to join the movement or get on the cattle cars. Stalin did likewise, with trains to Siberia. We don’t have a vast wilderness so quick deaths and shallow graves would have to suffice. We do have plenty of Caterpillar D-10s.
Having eliminated any detractors and sharpened their chops the Reich Iron Legion could venture forth and set the rest of the world in order.
Alles in Ordnung?
You appear to have a comprehension problem. Either that or you didn’t bother to read the material.
The Nazi bogeyman and smear must be very useful to you.Saves thinking, eh?
Now, now, Wabbit, be nice! Chasmatic probably has many charming qualities. Unfortunately neither charm, erudition nor intellectual rigour appear to be amongst them.