‘So Some Terrorists Got Waterboarded…

Posted on December 11, 2014 by KG

“I’m not here to defend torture” writes former CIA Director (2006 to 2009) Michael Hayden in today’s Telegraph.
And I have no intention of doing so either. But I can’t be the only one who finds something a little disturbing about the witch-hunt unanimity among our mainstream media – not just on the left but on the right too – that the US Senate Intelligence Committee report into the CIA’s use of torture against suspected terrorists constitutes, as the Mail put it on its front page, the Shaming of the West.
A shaming act, I’d say, would be hijacking airliners and flying their screaming passengers into office buildings with the deliberate intent of killing thousands of workers; or throwing acid into the faces of women for the crime of seeking an education; or raping, enslaving and beheading people just because they belong to the wrong religion; or kidnapping schoolgirls and selling them into slavery; or burning people alive in churches; or holding people prisoner, then decapitating them for the benefit of lushly produced propaganda videos; or blowing people up on buses and underground trains; or running over a soldier in the street and then hacking his head half off; or blasting the legs off onlookers at a marathon. The West has been guilty of none of these things. Nor would it dream of doing such things….’
James Delingpole
They shouldn’t have been waterboarded. Nossir. They should have been hung upside-down in a pit of liquefied pig shit until they drowned like the vermin they are.

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23 Responses to ‘So Some Terrorists Got Waterboarded…

  2. Cadwallader says:
    December 11, 2014 at 11:43

    Is water-boarding all that bad on a hot day in the desert? :evil:

  3. Brown says:
    December 11, 2014 at 11:43

    I disagree – such measures get you anything you want to hear but any truth will be submerged in bleatings. My alternative would have been to simply shoot those that were known and proven to be members of terrorist groups and continue to do so – no prisoners. Suspects, who will be Muslims, you simply arrest hold as POW’s until the end of hostilities. You can make life very difficult for Muslims and isolate them from society if you want to. These people are not entitled to the same consideration you would give a soldier in uniform and execution would be acceptable military practice in war (and surely a state of that exists). I’m not sure what you do about Qatar and Saudi Arabia though. I have no doubt the CIA know who funds the supposed enemies but the US still sucks up to them.

    They need to be better than this if they expect to be taken seriously.

  4. KG says:
    December 11, 2014 at 12:02

    “I disagree – such measures get you anything you want to hear but any truth will be submerged in bleatings..”
    Been present at interrogations, have you, Brown?
    I have, and I can assure that they are very often – almost invariably in fact – very effective and produce useful, sometimes life-saving information. Even the “hard men” of the IRA didn’t hold out for long against a variation of waterboarding.

  5. Darin says:
    December 11, 2014 at 14:22

    JD is spot on as usualhttp://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif

    Like I told someone today who was headed down the moral equivalency road.Let’s remember how we got here.These are not boy scouts we are talking about,these are murderers full stop.As JD points out 3000 dead Americans,some of whom were given the choice of burning to death or jumping to their deaths.Brits and Spaniards whose only crime was heading to work on the bus or train being blown to bits,and let’s not forget Beslan,children being snuffed out wholesale by these murdering bastards.If anything we didn’t torture them enough.

    We should not have opened GITMO or practiced rendition,no absolutely not,it’s the wrong course in dealing with this bunch.What we should have done was field interrogation followed by rule 3S.No prisoners,no problem. :evil:

  6. mawm says:
    December 11, 2014 at 14:27

    What a wonderful resource Delingpole has become. The only journalist around with large cajones and who now seems to have been given a free rein by Breitbart. http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif

    Battlefield interrogations have been around for millennia and have saved many lives….and are unlikely to ever cease…..that is until some left-wing journalist wanker “records” it and some grunt gets hounded to appease the sensibilities of the effete.

    • KG says:
      December 11, 2014 at 15:40

      “What a wonderful resource Delingpole has become. The only journalist around with large cajones…”
      How true. I don’t imagine the BBC or the NYT will be giving him space any time soon. :grin:

  7. PC says:
    December 11, 2014 at 14:57

    The problem with the pinko’s flailing about over a bit of creative homeopathy, is that they’d rather have us fight the terrorists with our hands tied behind our backs and our shoelaces in knots. The pinko’s are as dangerous as the terrorists they seek to enable.

  8. KG says:
    December 11, 2014 at 15:40

    “.. a bit of creative homeopathy”
    :mrgreen: http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif

  9. Flashman says:
    December 11, 2014 at 18:36

    Interesting topic.

    Torture has its place, thus:

    “Field interrogation” works superbly well in “hot pursuit” situations where, tick-tock, time is running down; and the interrogators know precisely (emphasis, precisely) some very, very simple questions to ask. (Parking a Land-Rover’s front wheel on a wounded terrorist’s knee-cap will make him sing like the proverbial canary when his mates are known to be off and running within a twenty mile range.)

    However….

    The amount of good quality intel that can be extracted by torture in “cold” situations is extremely limited and at best serves merely to corroborate better quality info obtained by more reliable sources. The fact is that captives will say almost anything to make the pain stop: fabrication of “facts” is commonplace and serves to muddy the water. Worse, it sets intelligence agents off trying to chase down crazy-stupid wild geese. Just as bad, torture stories serve to confuse perceptions of intel quality gained from high-quality sources; false-positives (and negatives) equal radiating confusion.

    (Note: I’m talking extreme methods here like waterboarding, on up. Sleep deprivation is an iffy option…some dudes can handle it better than others and it’s a run-down option. The longer he can hold out…say three days…field intel quality is progressively degraded. And when he finally hits the wall, he needs a time-out to recover: Catch-22 there goes your time-schedule.)

    Far better to treat cold-captives humanely (money helps – a lot) with the hope of “turning” them. This often works. Another good option is to seed their quarters with turned moles…and let’s not forget the good old hidden mike in the rec room.
    Of course none of these non-torture methods belong in the reflective shades, buzz-cut macho Hollywood “f**k yeah!” genre, but their dividends are potentially huge.

    That said, incorrigibles can, of course, always be tried and convicted to hang or to serve no-country-for-old-men jail sentences.

    Ultimately, torture provides a very poor overall return on investment versus other options. It’s also true that torturers themselves become…let’s say…morally (and sometimes mentally) degraded by the experience.

    Finally, as to what super-quality state security intel someone kept in isolation in a camp for *13 years* located on a Caribbean island can cough up defies all common logic and imagination. Unless, that is, the place has nothing to do with security intelligence gathering but is really nothing more than a glorified gulag (without the show trial and hard labour).

  10. KG says:
    December 11, 2014 at 20:18

    “Ultimately, torture provides a very poor overall return on investment versus other options.”
    Generally true, but sometimes other options simply aren’t available for any number of reasons. Time being the foremost. Just because a person is a cold captive doesn’t mean the clock isn’t ticking.
    As for the torturers becoming degraded themselves…also true, and they must be considered casualties in the same way somebody taking an injury in battle is.
    And let’s not confuse coercion with torture, as the media is wont to do.
    Those kept in the glorified gulag may at least be useful as bargaining chips, Flash. In any case, I have no problem with keeping islamists locked up forever if shooting the bastards is out of the question.

    • Darin says:
      December 12, 2014 at 02:55

      The only persons ever tortured and tormented at GITMO are the guards.I think the Dems jumped the shark on this one,the general public simply doesn’t care or wants to bring back the Rack and do it proper.

  11. Oswald Bastable says:
    December 11, 2014 at 20:28

    I have seen sleep deprivation used with great effect, but it does take time which is not always available.
    I don’t think it is really torture. Just intensive interrogation.

    And I don’t care a flying fuck what the liberal soft- shells ‘think’

  13. Darin says:
    December 13, 2014 at 07:37

    “”If hooking up one rag-head terrorist prisoner’s testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say: Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet.” – Don Cherry, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation commentator and retired head coach of the Boston Bruins”

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  14. Ronbo says:
    December 13, 2014 at 10:49

    According to the Geneva Convention, America, or any other country that signed the treaty, has the legal right to execute on the battlefield all those captured not wearing uniforms under arms, as was the case during WW II, when Allied forces captured scores of Germans behind the lines and out of uniform.

    So what if Islamic terrorists were tortured for information :?:

    …they are dead men walking according to the Geneva Convention.http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif

    • KG says:
      December 13, 2014 at 11:41

      Damn right, Ronbo. Screw the snivelling bleeding hearts and the electric scooter they rode in on.